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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article, but another example of someone without faith assuming that faith is equal to fatalism. The truth is that many people with faith resign themselves to a fatalistic outlook and abnegate themselves from responsibility for the good and bad in theirs and others lives. The truth is also that many faith restores the ability to believe in and love the world, and change it for the better. In a world where the individual has responsibility for his world and yet very little power to affect it, the outlook is bleak. Maybe a little faith isn&#039;t such a bad thing...

Ideally, the ideological &#039;conflict&#039; &#039;between&#039; faith and &#039;reason&#039; would die and go away. We are all just trying to make sense of the world. Rejecting someone elses idea&#039;s does no more to strengthen your own than rejecting someone else&#039;s beer makes you more drunk ;-)

Perhaps the author should remember the billions of dollars flowing from people of faith to both faith based and secular organizations whose sole mission is to take responsibility for making the world a better place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article, but another example of someone without faith assuming that faith is equal to fatalism. The truth is that many people with faith resign themselves to a fatalistic outlook and abnegate themselves from responsibility for the good and bad in theirs and others lives. The truth is also that many faith restores the ability to believe in and love the world, and change it for the better. In a world where the individual has responsibility for his world and yet very little power to affect it, the outlook is bleak. Maybe a little faith isn&#8217;t such a bad thing&#8230;</p>
<p>Ideally, the ideological &#8216;conflict&#8217; &#8216;between&#8217; faith and &#8216;reason&#8217; would die and go away. We are all just trying to make sense of the world. Rejecting someone elses idea&#8217;s does no more to strengthen your own than rejecting someone else&#8217;s beer makes you more drunk <img src='http://newsjunkiepost.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Perhaps the author should remember the billions of dollars flowing from people of faith to both faith based and secular organizations whose sole mission is to take responsibility for making the world a better place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Wods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Wods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you believe it. I was in Brazil last week and saw some of the favillas (shanty towns) and could not believe my eyes.

Jess
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you believe it. I was in Brazil last week and saw some of the favillas (shanty towns) and could not believe my eyes.</p>
<p>Jess<br />
http://www.online-anonymity.vze.com</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 04:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of the article has nothing to do with &#039;God&#039;s&#039; intent.  Instead, this article claims that when you see yourself as a pawn of an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent god with a plan for humanity- you relinquish personal accountability and responsibility.  

This argument is also unrelated, but still irks me:
&quot;He had it incredibly difficult. He was hated almost everywhere he went, and he was killed by the “religious” people of the day.&quot;

Oh, boohoo.  Sacrifice is when an all-powerful and eternal being lives on Earth for 30 years, is executed, resurrected and then spend the rest of eternity at the &#039;right hand of the father?&#039;  Jesus&#039; sacrifice would have been more commendable if it wasn&#039;t such a pitiful joke compared to the constant suffering of people throughout history.  It&#039;s like sacrificing a morning latte...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of the article has nothing to do with &#8216;God&#8217;s&#8217; intent.  Instead, this article claims that when you see yourself as a pawn of an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent god with a plan for humanity- you relinquish personal accountability and responsibility.  </p>
<p>This argument is also unrelated, but still irks me:<br />
&#8220;He had it incredibly difficult. He was hated almost everywhere he went, and he was killed by the “religious” people of the day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, boohoo.  Sacrifice is when an all-powerful and eternal being lives on Earth for 30 years, is executed, resurrected and then spend the rest of eternity at the &#8216;right hand of the father?&#8217;  Jesus&#8217; sacrifice would have been more commendable if it wasn&#8217;t such a pitiful joke compared to the constant suffering of people throughout history.  It&#8217;s like sacrificing a morning latte&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zoop</title>
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		<dc:creator>zoop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In simpler terms, belief in &quot;good and evil&quot; in the terrestrial universe mandates that there be an evil doer and a victim: following this great logic, would not the victim deserve his/her plight? Therefore, evil acts become God-decreed, and are thus no longer evil, but the fulfillment of God&#039;s will. Following this, exploitation of others parallels the very definition, as explained by Christian doctrine, of pious behavior. The major offspring of this perspective is Capitalism, where dedication to God (i.e. hard work and economic cunning) becomes the paramount ideal. Therefore, humanity is but a plastic, dispensable pawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In simpler terms, belief in &#8220;good and evil&#8221; in the terrestrial universe mandates that there be an evil doer and a victim: following this great logic, would not the victim deserve his/her plight? Therefore, evil acts become God-decreed, and are thus no longer evil, but the fulfillment of God&#8217;s will. Following this, exploitation of others parallels the very definition, as explained by Christian doctrine, of pious behavior. The major offspring of this perspective is Capitalism, where dedication to God (i.e. hard work and economic cunning) becomes the paramount ideal. Therefore, humanity is but a plastic, dispensable pawn.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow... interesting comments that didn&#039;t devolve into scientific  condescension or fire-and-brimstone pronunciations.  I just wanted to make a point that human beings since the dawn of man have sought to the heavens for answers.  Spirituality and religion have been a part of the culture of man since the neanderthals were ritually burying their dead. Some have said that there might even be a &quot;sprituality gene.&quot; At any rate, I&#039;ve spoken to many scientists about this matter and many, if not most, seemed to make an argument along these lines:  &quot;I&#039;ve dedicated my life to studying the beauty and complexity of the universe and nature and readily acknowledge that we are lucky if we understand even 10% of what is going on.  It would be a supreme act of arrogance to say with all certainty that God does not exist in some form or another.&quot;  The point, I believe, is that ever since man had reason, we have sought to understand the physical and spiritual realms.  Spirituality and science seek similar paths and are not necessarily incompatible.  I think that the world&#039;s religions try to understand what God is but, being human institutions... tend to fail.  God is beyond our comprehension.  Blaming religion on our ills is like blaming our humanity for all our problems... its redundant.  Humanity is flawed in many ways and religion just one of its flaws (as well as one of its blessings). It is as much to blame for these flaws as our territorial, self-centered and aggressive nature is.  Religion, spirituality are just one of many manifestations of our humanness.  Of course there are some humans who are wired differently than the rest of us and they do wonderful things–particularly our scientists, engineers, etc. They have improved our society immeasurably. Still, they are also responsible for some of the most horrific aspects of our society as well–our climate problems, our increasingly more and more deadly weaponry and better ways of killing each other, as well as making real the possibility that our machines will one day surpass us.  I agree with one of the commenters that the reductionism displayed in the article is just as destructive as the religious, political or nationalistic reductionism we see in our world.  The world is much more complicated than that.  Liam seems almost naive by depicting the situation as he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230; interesting comments that didn&#8217;t devolve into scientific  condescension or fire-and-brimstone pronunciations.  I just wanted to make a point that human beings since the dawn of man have sought to the heavens for answers.  Spirituality and religion have been a part of the culture of man since the neanderthals were ritually burying their dead. Some have said that there might even be a &#8220;sprituality gene.&#8221; At any rate, I&#8217;ve spoken to many scientists about this matter and many, if not most, seemed to make an argument along these lines:  &#8220;I&#8217;ve dedicated my life to studying the beauty and complexity of the universe and nature and readily acknowledge that we are lucky if we understand even 10% of what is going on.  It would be a supreme act of arrogance to say with all certainty that God does not exist in some form or another.&#8221;  The point, I believe, is that ever since man had reason, we have sought to understand the physical and spiritual realms.  Spirituality and science seek similar paths and are not necessarily incompatible.  I think that the world&#8217;s religions try to understand what God is but, being human institutions&#8230; tend to fail.  God is beyond our comprehension.  Blaming religion on our ills is like blaming our humanity for all our problems&#8230; its redundant.  Humanity is flawed in many ways and religion just one of its flaws (as well as one of its blessings). It is as much to blame for these flaws as our territorial, self-centered and aggressive nature is.  Religion, spirituality are just one of many manifestations of our humanness.  Of course there are some humans who are wired differently than the rest of us and they do wonderful things–particularly our scientists, engineers, etc. They have improved our society immeasurably. Still, they are also responsible for some of the most horrific aspects of our society as well–our climate problems, our increasingly more and more deadly weaponry and better ways of killing each other, as well as making real the possibility that our machines will one day surpass us.  I agree with one of the commenters that the reductionism displayed in the article is just as destructive as the religious, political or nationalistic reductionism we see in our world.  The world is much more complicated than that.  Liam seems almost naive by depicting the situation as he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Nerdilicious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerdilicious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 03:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New Age whacko philosophy could just as easily be substituted for religion in this article.  Witness &quot;The Secret&quot; where one can attract wealth or poverty just by sending out either positive or negative thoughts to the universe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Age whacko philosophy could just as easily be substituted for religion in this article.  Witness &#8220;The Secret&#8221; where one can attract wealth or poverty just by sending out either positive or negative thoughts to the universe.</p>
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		<title>By: Nerael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nerael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I&#039;ve ever seen from defenders of religion consists of carefully plucked pieces of information that can&#039;t ultimately hold up when you observe them rationally, as a whole.  I will digress - there are some elements in religious teachings which promote relevant societal morals.  However - there are also concurrent religious teachings in those very same doctrines which contradict those notions in the form of an &quot;excuse&quot; as Liam put it.  For instance, religion often preaches myths in hopes of enforcing morality through fear (you will burn in hell!) – While simultaneously invoking the idea of the omnipotent god and his &#039;plan&#039; for the world (so don’t you worry!).  There are holes like this everywhere if one observes.  God can be used as a convenient way to deflect responsibility for societal problems as Liam pointed out, while tautological &#039;noise&#039; is used to defend it.  The truth is that we hold the future, not God.

Regarding the claims that religion is what brings morals to society, I beg to differ.  Follow my logic.  The primary goal of humanity is survival.  Humans evolved into societies because it was beneficial to our survival.  With the coming of technology, society is now effectively global.  Morals are not exclusively from religion – they are simply survival tools borne of global societal needs. Why do we need religion to enforce them when religion contradicts itself?   

Some have effectively demonized scientific observation for the idea of ‘survival of the fittest’ – They think that because science determined that the fittest, supposedly most ‘self interested’ organisms survive that science supports inequality.  Actually what they don&#039;t realize is that society and the entire planet is one organism.  With the coming of society, collective survival is now dependent on the whole. 

So why should we care about inequality?  It hurts society.  Poverty is a form of inequality which skews opportunities in favor of those born to privilege.  This scheme squanders human potential; ergo, it is a detriment to our survival.

That said, there&#039;s no way to make every person on the planet equal - but trying our best to give roughly the same opportunities to everyone in our society has obvious benefits.  I can’t think of a person on earth who wouldn’t want a fair opportunity at life.  

If we accept the fact that we live in a society, and we are collectively interested in survival, we can assess that trying to use archaic contradictory fallacies handed to us by religion can only hinder our progress.  Again, that doesn’t mean that religion is the singular source of humanity’s woes, or the sole cause of inequality in society; neither does it mean that people who buy into religion are personally hurting our society (They&#039;re only human after all, heh).  I&#039;m just hoping that someday we&#039;ll finally outgrow it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;ve ever seen from defenders of religion consists of carefully plucked pieces of information that can&#8217;t ultimately hold up when you observe them rationally, as a whole.  I will digress &#8211; there are some elements in religious teachings which promote relevant societal morals.  However &#8211; there are also concurrent religious teachings in those very same doctrines which contradict those notions in the form of an &#8220;excuse&#8221; as Liam put it.  For instance, religion often preaches myths in hopes of enforcing morality through fear (you will burn in hell!) – While simultaneously invoking the idea of the omnipotent god and his &#8216;plan&#8217; for the world (so don’t you worry!).  There are holes like this everywhere if one observes.  God can be used as a convenient way to deflect responsibility for societal problems as Liam pointed out, while tautological &#8216;noise&#8217; is used to defend it.  The truth is that we hold the future, not God.</p>
<p>Regarding the claims that religion is what brings morals to society, I beg to differ.  Follow my logic.  The primary goal of humanity is survival.  Humans evolved into societies because it was beneficial to our survival.  With the coming of technology, society is now effectively global.  Morals are not exclusively from religion – they are simply survival tools borne of global societal needs. Why do we need religion to enforce them when religion contradicts itself?   </p>
<p>Some have effectively demonized scientific observation for the idea of ‘survival of the fittest’ – They think that because science determined that the fittest, supposedly most ‘self interested’ organisms survive that science supports inequality.  Actually what they don&#8217;t realize is that society and the entire planet is one organism.  With the coming of society, collective survival is now dependent on the whole. </p>
<p>So why should we care about inequality?  It hurts society.  Poverty is a form of inequality which skews opportunities in favor of those born to privilege.  This scheme squanders human potential; ergo, it is a detriment to our survival.</p>
<p>That said, there&#8217;s no way to make every person on the planet equal &#8211; but trying our best to give roughly the same opportunities to everyone in our society has obvious benefits.  I can’t think of a person on earth who wouldn’t want a fair opportunity at life.  </p>
<p>If we accept the fact that we live in a society, and we are collectively interested in survival, we can assess that trying to use archaic contradictory fallacies handed to us by religion can only hinder our progress.  Again, that doesn’t mean that religion is the singular source of humanity’s woes, or the sole cause of inequality in society; neither does it mean that people who buy into religion are personally hurting our society (They&#8217;re only human after all, heh).  I&#8217;m just hoping that someday we&#8217;ll finally outgrow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Clayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If &quot;we are the only answer&quot; do you really see this deal getting better than it is?

I think the sentiment regarding the disparity in the distribution of wealth on this globe is valid. It is sad. I raise both hands and am completely on board with you if you&#039;re saying this could be better. But I don&#039;t believe that material wealth is all there is. I believe that &#039;blessing&#039; is more than material and reality is more than natural. In other words, the poor you refer to may be richly blessed in other aspects of life. (However, do not think that I then chalk this up as a balance of blessings and call it a day. As I said, I am completely on board with any effort at redeeming relationships with exploited people.)

The point is, God&#039;s (of the Bible) heart is intensely committed to the poor and hungry, to the lost and broken. We can read about it in the Bible, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. God really grieves over some of the things you mention, Liam. So why doesn&#039;t He do anything? He has. He&#039;s just waiting for us to respond. I think we&#039;ve just misunderstood His heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If &#8220;we are the only answer&#8221; do you really see this deal getting better than it is?</p>
<p>I think the sentiment regarding the disparity in the distribution of wealth on this globe is valid. It is sad. I raise both hands and am completely on board with you if you&#8217;re saying this could be better. But I don&#8217;t believe that material wealth is all there is. I believe that &#8216;blessing&#8217; is more than material and reality is more than natural. In other words, the poor you refer to may be richly blessed in other aspects of life. (However, do not think that I then chalk this up as a balance of blessings and call it a day. As I said, I am completely on board with any effort at redeeming relationships with exploited people.)</p>
<p>The point is, God&#8217;s (of the Bible) heart is intensely committed to the poor and hungry, to the lost and broken. We can read about it in the Bible, the books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. God really grieves over some of the things you mention, Liam. So why doesn&#8217;t He do anything? He has. He&#8217;s just waiting for us to respond. I think we&#8217;ve just misunderstood His heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...its nice to know that you have it all figured out Liam!  Now I can finally sleep at night!  If its all the same to you.,..I will still say my prayers and be thankful before I close my eyes!  In a world of chaos its nice to have a sane path to follow which actually makes me feel good about myself and make me want to be a better person to the rest of the &quot;the tribe&quot;!  On that note...how do you explain the American Indian and their beliefs....I don&#039;t think they were doing it for personal gain....it was a walk with the great spirits!  Don&#039;t be so critical of things you don&#039;t understand!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;its nice to know that you have it all figured out Liam!  Now I can finally sleep at night!  If its all the same to you.,..I will still say my prayers and be thankful before I close my eyes!  In a world of chaos its nice to have a sane path to follow which actually makes me feel good about myself and make me want to be a better person to the rest of the &#8220;the tribe&#8221;!  On that note&#8230;how do you explain the American Indian and their beliefs&#8230;.I don&#8217;t think they were doing it for personal gain&#8230;.it was a walk with the great spirits!  Don&#8217;t be so critical of things you don&#8217;t understand!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 00:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You clearly have not developed an understanding of God, faith, hope, and religion.  They all provide a basis for conviction that real love and charity can not exist without.  You spend to much time and effort trying to break down something that is at the very core of many, why?  If you dedicated just a portion of you time, with an open mind, trying to live a life modeled after Christ you would soon find the true benefit of living a life of hope.  You are alone and weak, but know that is a choice you have made.  Let go of all of your bitterness and hate, you will know when the time is right for you to make the choice, God will instruct you.  God bless, C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You clearly have not developed an understanding of God, faith, hope, and religion.  They all provide a basis for conviction that real love and charity can not exist without.  You spend to much time and effort trying to break down something that is at the very core of many, why?  If you dedicated just a portion of you time, with an open mind, trying to live a life modeled after Christ you would soon find the true benefit of living a life of hope.  You are alone and weak, but know that is a choice you have made.  Let go of all of your bitterness and hate, you will know when the time is right for you to make the choice, God will instruct you.  God bless, C.</p>
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