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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/04/05/climate-change-denial-the-smoking-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-6009</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 08:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would very much like to know what, exactly, I am denying? You throw that word around quite cavalierly but never seem to actual define what it means.

I&#039;m not funded by big oil, never received a cent from the tobacco industry and for all but 2 years of my cognisant life I considered myself an environmentalist. I was a fully paid up member of Greenpeace and I was angry that no one was doing anything about global warming. I thought the world didn&#039;t care.

After to looking at some of the science and listening to reasoned arguments from both sides I&#039;m pretty much convinced this is a storm in a teacup and humanity has other much more pressing issues we need to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would very much like to know what, exactly, I am denying? You throw that word around quite cavalierly but never seem to actual define what it means.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not funded by big oil, never received a cent from the tobacco industry and for all but 2 years of my cognisant life I considered myself an environmentalist. I was a fully paid up member of Greenpeace and I was angry that no one was doing anything about global warming. I thought the world didn&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>After to looking at some of the science and listening to reasoned arguments from both sides I&#8217;m pretty much convinced this is a storm in a teacup and humanity has other much more pressing issues we need to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/04/05/climate-change-denial-the-smoking-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-5929</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2010 13:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is hard to believe that these comments are by real people.

The science and basic concepts to understand the science are  freely available.  The concept of climate trends, the evidence that the current warming trend is a human-caused crisis, and the impacts on biological systems, are not being debated:  at  this point in the evolution of climate science, including and especially from a critical approach to the science, it is like debating that the earth is flat.

A discussion of the interests at play, illuminated by the history of the tobacco industry, is highly relevant.

I agree with you, Mike.   At this point, a combination of foreknowledge and the intentional violation of the security of the planet’s natural resilience and the lack of accountability for the resulting effects makes it reasonable to argue that the issues lend themselves to involvement in the criminal justice system.  

Apparently liability  may be the only way to get accountability from them.


Martha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is hard to believe that these comments are by real people.</p>
<p>The science and basic concepts to understand the science are  freely available.  The concept of climate trends, the evidence that the current warming trend is a human-caused crisis, and the impacts on biological systems, are not being debated:  at  this point in the evolution of climate science, including and especially from a critical approach to the science, it is like debating that the earth is flat.</p>
<p>A discussion of the interests at play, illuminated by the history of the tobacco industry, is highly relevant.</p>
<p>I agree with you, Mike.   At this point, a combination of foreknowledge and the intentional violation of the security of the planet’s natural resilience and the lack of accountability for the resulting effects makes it reasonable to argue that the issues lend themselves to involvement in the criminal justice system.  </p>
<p>Apparently liability  may be the only way to get accountability from them.</p>
<p>Martha</p>
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		<title>By: CarlPE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CarlPE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put.  
I was a global warming agnostic until all the hype started.  To me, it’s simple.  If they need to lie so much about things we know to be false, then likely everything else they proclaim is also false.  A corollary to that would be, if they need to lie to make their case, they don&#039;t have a case.  In desperation, the warmists have advocated that the “deniers” be prosecuted, denied jobs, or fined.  Next, they will want to put us on the rack.
The truth, however, will not stop the EPA from enacting CO2 regulations.  To the warmists, it isn’t the science that matters, it’s the tax revenue and control of the populace.  It is as much a political issue as a scientific one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put.<br />
I was a global warming agnostic until all the hype started.  To me, it’s simple.  If they need to lie so much about things we know to be false, then likely everything else they proclaim is also false.  A corollary to that would be, if they need to lie to make their case, they don&#8217;t have a case.  In desperation, the warmists have advocated that the “deniers” be prosecuted, denied jobs, or fined.  Next, they will want to put us on the rack.<br />
The truth, however, will not stop the EPA from enacting CO2 regulations.  To the warmists, it isn’t the science that matters, it’s the tax revenue and control of the populace.  It is as much a political issue as a scientific one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rowan</title>
		<link>http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/04/05/climate-change-denial-the-smoking-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-5866</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 15:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been studying the issue of &quot;global warming&quot; for nearly two decades now.  I did speeches for college courses, wrote papers, and gave presentations.

The author of this clap trap article propounds that he knows &quot;for a fact&quot; that skeptical views are false.  

Sue me then you coward.

I know for a fact &quot;global warming&quot; is a hoax.  

Here are a few unchanging facts that put the lie to you, your phony science, and your completely cooked up globalony.

Atmospheric CO2 has never been shown to cause warming either in the lab or in field observations.  To say it has is a scientifically proven lie.

The false analogies of tobacco, haulocast deniers, and Venus CO2 atmostphere levels are textbook examples and dictionary definitions of a dishonest smokescreen.  Global Warming hoaxters must change the subject because they cannot argue the facts without lying.

Mar&#039;s atmosphere is 95% CO2 and is colder than earth, for example.
Venus&#039;s atmosphere is much more dense than earth&#039;s and the high pressure of Venus&#039;s atmosphere accounts for 99.99997 % of its heating.

The idea of a warming planet causing massive death of human populations is laughably false and is a historic lie.  The Roman Warm period, the Medieval Warm period, and almost other historical warming periods have been shown to be benificial to both plant and animal life.
These warm periods were much warmer than the slight warming we have recorded since the last &quot;little ice age.&quot;

Projections of widespread death caused by a warming climate are hallucinary and without any scientific foundations at all.  Populations of plant &amp; animal life grow exponentianally during warm periods.  To say otherwise is a provable scientific lie.

But we do know when the climate kills off plant and animal life.  This is during cold periods like the Dark Ages and anytime the planet experiences natural and cyclical cooling.

Lastly, the planet has not warmed for the last 15 years even according to &quot;global warming&quot; guru Phil Jones of East Anglia.

In fact the planet has cooled for over a decade now.  

That is an incontovertable scientific fact.  It is a scientifically measured and historical fact.  If the planet is in fact cooling, then it is a provable scientific lie to say that it is warming.

And if the planet is in fact cooling, then it is a provable scientific lie to claim that mankind is responsible for warming that is not occuring.

I find it offensive that Mike Kaulbars thinks that he can go about lying and tries to justify his lying by name calling.  His defense of lying is to smear folks who point out that he is a liar!

Brilliant Saul Alynski technique but it does not hold water, merit any serious consideration in science or in fact, and should be rejected by thinking people everywhere. 

&quot;Global warming&quot; is a ponzi scheme built on a hoax supported by lies and liars like Mike Kaulbars.  More and more people are realizing that they connot deny the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been studying the issue of &#8220;global warming&#8221; for nearly two decades now.  I did speeches for college courses, wrote papers, and gave presentations.</p>
<p>The author of this clap trap article propounds that he knows &#8220;for a fact&#8221; that skeptical views are false.  </p>
<p>Sue me then you coward.</p>
<p>I know for a fact &#8220;global warming&#8221; is a hoax.  </p>
<p>Here are a few unchanging facts that put the lie to you, your phony science, and your completely cooked up globalony.</p>
<p>Atmospheric CO2 has never been shown to cause warming either in the lab or in field observations.  To say it has is a scientifically proven lie.</p>
<p>The false analogies of tobacco, haulocast deniers, and Venus CO2 atmostphere levels are textbook examples and dictionary definitions of a dishonest smokescreen.  Global Warming hoaxters must change the subject because they cannot argue the facts without lying.</p>
<p>Mar&#8217;s atmosphere is 95% CO2 and is colder than earth, for example.<br />
Venus&#8217;s atmosphere is much more dense than earth&#8217;s and the high pressure of Venus&#8217;s atmosphere accounts for 99.99997 % of its heating.</p>
<p>The idea of a warming planet causing massive death of human populations is laughably false and is a historic lie.  The Roman Warm period, the Medieval Warm period, and almost other historical warming periods have been shown to be benificial to both plant and animal life.<br />
These warm periods were much warmer than the slight warming we have recorded since the last &#8220;little ice age.&#8221;</p>
<p>Projections of widespread death caused by a warming climate are hallucinary and without any scientific foundations at all.  Populations of plant &amp; animal life grow exponentianally during warm periods.  To say otherwise is a provable scientific lie.</p>
<p>But we do know when the climate kills off plant and animal life.  This is during cold periods like the Dark Ages and anytime the planet experiences natural and cyclical cooling.</p>
<p>Lastly, the planet has not warmed for the last 15 years even according to &#8220;global warming&#8221; guru Phil Jones of East Anglia.</p>
<p>In fact the planet has cooled for over a decade now.  </p>
<p>That is an incontovertable scientific fact.  It is a scientifically measured and historical fact.  If the planet is in fact cooling, then it is a provable scientific lie to say that it is warming.</p>
<p>And if the planet is in fact cooling, then it is a provable scientific lie to claim that mankind is responsible for warming that is not occuring.</p>
<p>I find it offensive that Mike Kaulbars thinks that he can go about lying and tries to justify his lying by name calling.  His defense of lying is to smear folks who point out that he is a liar!</p>
<p>Brilliant Saul Alynski technique but it does not hold water, merit any serious consideration in science or in fact, and should be rejected by thinking people everywhere. </p>
<p>&#8220;Global warming&#8221; is a ponzi scheme built on a hoax supported by lies and liars like Mike Kaulbars.  More and more people are realizing that they connot deny the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Bell</title>
		<link>http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/04/05/climate-change-denial-the-smoking-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-5849</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, yes. The Artic is not part of the globe, so when we say &quot;global warming&quot; we are being very specific that it is only those areas that are part of our globe that are having &quot;global warming&quot;. Duh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, yes. The Artic is not part of the globe, so when we say &#8220;global warming&#8221; we are being very specific that it is only those areas that are part of our globe that are having &#8220;global warming&#8221;. Duh.</p>
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		<title>By: descarte</title>
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		<dc:creator>descarte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 04:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>uh, no, we&#039;re yelling

&quot;NO FIRE&quot;

in a building that IS NOT &quot;burning&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uh, no, we&#8217;re yelling</p>
<p>&#8220;NO FIRE&#8221;</p>
<p>in a building that IS NOT &#8220;burning&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Justa Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justa Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 21:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marauder, your post almost seems like a put on. Either that or perhaps you&#039;re the author&#039;s ditzy girlfriend.

1. Catastrophic AGW &quot;denial&quot; is in all probability not exclusive to so-called right wingers. Also nobody denies that there is a climate.

3. The National SOCIALIST German Workers&#039; Party (Nazis) were not so-called right wingers. They were leftist socialists as their name suggests. The armies of 3rd Reich (Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, etc) didn&#039;t produce anymore CO2 emissions than their enemy counterparts in the USSR Red Army or the Allied armies. Using your bizarre &quot;logic&quot; the Red Army and the Allied armies were worse climate offenders because their respective armies were larger.

In addition to being socialists the NAZIs were at the forefront of environmentalism, alternative fuels (it&#039;s true look it up), and obviously population control all of which I&#039;m sure are near and dear to thine own heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marauder, your post almost seems like a put on. Either that or perhaps you&#8217;re the author&#8217;s ditzy girlfriend.</p>
<p>1. Catastrophic AGW &#8220;denial&#8221; is in all probability not exclusive to so-called right wingers. Also nobody denies that there is a climate.</p>
<p>3. The National SOCIALIST German Workers&#8217; Party (Nazis) were not so-called right wingers. They were leftist socialists as their name suggests. The armies of 3rd Reich (Wehrmacht, Waffen SS, etc) didn&#8217;t produce anymore CO2 emissions than their enemy counterparts in the USSR Red Army or the Allied armies. Using your bizarre &#8220;logic&#8221; the Red Army and the Allied armies were worse climate offenders because their respective armies were larger.</p>
<p>In addition to being socialists the NAZIs were at the forefront of environmentalism, alternative fuels (it&#8217;s true look it up), and obviously population control all of which I&#8217;m sure are near and dear to thine own heart.</p>
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		<title>By: snorbertzangox</title>
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		<dc:creator>snorbertzangox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 20:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) says the behavior of Greenpeas and other radical activists who oppose development of African resources is &quot;ecological imperialism&quot;, a name that I find apt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) says the behavior of Greenpeas and other radical activists who oppose development of African resources is &#8220;ecological imperialism&#8221;, a name that I find apt.</p>
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		<title>By: John Reading</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 19:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see, a huge consensus of government-funded scientists has declared that government control of everyone and everything will save the planet and anyone who disgrees should be punished for &quot;misinformation&quot;.  Makes perfect sense to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see, a huge consensus of government-funded scientists has declared that government control of everyone and everything will save the planet and anyone who disgrees should be punished for &#8220;misinformation&#8221;.  Makes perfect sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2010 17:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, have you seen yesterday&#039;s Arctic Sea Ice Extant graph, at the IJIS website?  For the date of April 6th, the amount of Arctic Sea Ice is at at 7 YEAR HIGH!  

Oh I know, this is ALSO caused by global warming, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, have you seen yesterday&#8217;s Arctic Sea Ice Extant graph, at the IJIS website?  For the date of April 6th, the amount of Arctic Sea Ice is at at 7 YEAR HIGH!  </p>
<p>Oh I know, this is ALSO caused by global warming, right?</p>
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