Glenn Beck: Master Politician or Master Baiter

The general consensus seems to be that Beck’s rally was little more than another of his attempts at race-baiting and an affront to the civil rights movement, as in fact it was.  It was primarily deemed a self-aggrandizing religious revival and motivational speech, which it also was.  But, what seems to have been missed was the redefinition of the civil rights movement to suit a very specific, very political, and very conservative agenda.

To accept the ruse that Glenn Beck’s rally was religious, rather than political, is to miss the message Beck was sending entirely, as well as the basis of his ‘100 year plan.’  His theme of Faith, Hope, and Charity, was nothing more than a redressed version of his oft-repeated call for the drastic weakening of government and the elimination of all public funded, and public managed, social programs. He cloaked his politics in religion and seemed to fool everyone.

Faith, Hope and Charity is his innocuous sounding recipe for extreme Libertarianism disguised as a revival of the church, rather than as a deconstruction of responsible government.  Beck insists on a smaller, impotent government, and rails against what he calls a nanny state with entitlement programs.  Faith should be in God, not government.  He states that any such services or supports should be offered through churches or synagogues, or by individuals exercising their religious duty of alms-giving.  This is the only acceptable form of charity.

Conservatives have often proposed that churches should provide social services, rather than the public provide their own services through their government.  While this provides them with a convenient argument for the lowering of taxes, it also results in immediate, and drastic, social inequality.  Church based, or faith based, services unregulated and unfunded by anything other than religious doctrine and their congregation of adherents, create an immediate and meaningful dominance by the majority over any and all minorities.  Whichever church has the most attendees has the most money.  Whichever church has the most money is able to provide the services required by the community.  Whichever Church controls access to necessary services has power over everyone in the community.

Regardless of one’s religion, spiritual belief, or world view, they would be required to adhere to whatever criteria are dictated by the religious institution that dominates their community.  For the majority of Americans this would be either the Catholic church or Fundamentalist Evangelical churches.  Family planning, contraception, and abortion, would all be impossible within this proposed system.  Religious doctrine would dictate social policy, individual rights, and individual freedoms, and an individual’s exercising of their freedom of religion would now come at the cost of access to these necessary supports and services.

In a poor, and tasteless, imitation of her Uncle’s ‘I Have A Dream’ speech,  Alveda King made it clear that homosexuality, and women’s reproductive rights, are not acceptable in the America being envisioned, and promoted, through this political/religious revival.  By removing the funding for the social services that the public provides for themselves through their government, and allowing churches to govern and control those services, the religious right will achieve the agenda they’ve been unable to impose legally and democratically.  Abortion would no longer be available, and homosexuals would be completely disenfranchised.

Beck’s nod to pluralism is as disingenuous and contradictory as his nod to diversity.  There were more people of color on his stage of performers than there were in his crowd of approximately 96,000.  His radio and television shows speak as clearly of Christian preference as they do about charges of racism against President Obama, and reverse racism against the oppressed white citizens of America.  In Pastor Hagee’s closing prayer at Beck’s pre-rally event held at the Kennedy center on Friday night, it was made clear that America’s acceptance of pluralism was a terrible mistake that must be corrected.  The diverse clergy that Beck paraded onto his stage represented nothing more than a tool to wrestle power from the people and their government.  Once that power is removed from the people and their government, Christian preference, as well as white preference, would be established by the majority control of community resources.

Glenn Beck stated that his goal was to reclaim the civil rights movement.  His actual goal is to redefine it, and reverse it.  The conservative strategy is to change it from a movement that encouraged a robust and responsible government, acting on behalf of the people and ensuring the rights guaranteed in the Constitution, to a movement calling for the drastic downsizing of that very same government.  Rather than being the force to battle against state rights and inequality, it would be a hapless pawn in dismantling the very government that empowered it when the majority of Americans were against it.  Beck’s plan will put the power back in the hands of the majority that fought against the civil rights movement.

The Black Robe Brigade that Beck introduced is his political action committee for implementing this strategy.  Like the original Black Robe Brigades of the eighteenth century, it’s role will be to agitate against government and mobilize it’s congregants in service of a political agenda.  Unlike it’s name-sake, this new version will be charged with supporting a very specific, and very conservative, agenda.

Only Glenn Beck can turn Faith, Hope and Charity into an insidious plot to usurp the government of the United States.  By removing the power that the people have over their own government, and eroding the strength and effectiveness of that government, and replacing it with the church, the Constitutional rights and protections of American citizens would be devastated.  To clearly understand this, his constant insistence on lower taxes must be juxtaposed with his public call for all Americans to give ten percent of their wages to their Church, or religious organization, as he did during his rally.  The only thing that this would result in is a small and ineffectual representative government, and a powerful, well funded, authoritarian church of the majority.

To underestimate Glenn Beck and the very aggressive movement that he represents would be a foolhardy mistake.  He is a talented and charismatic communicator that wields a great deal of influence, and control, over a very large, very reactive, and very easily led audience.  What he lacks in scruples, he more than makes up for in ability.  He knows his audience well.  He plays every wedge issue to his advantage and the promotion of his agenda.

As much as it pains any person with a modicum of independent, critical thinking skills to acknowledge it; Glenn Beck’s ‘Restoring Honor’ rally was a masterful exercise in political organizing.  He promised a recipe for fundamental change to this country and he delivered.  He delivered it right on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial and no one even noticed.  He presented a clear strategy for the undermining of the Constitutional foundation of this country and all anyone saw was a religious service.

If the rest of this country doesn’t wake up, and soon, to the agenda being pursued by the far right, the Christian Reconstructionists, and the anti-government conservatives, they’re going to wake up one morning in a very different America.  Progressives, Liberals, Democrats, Independents, and Centrist Republicans cannot afford to abdicate their responsibility as voters.

Don’t be fooled by the emotional melodrama and rodeo-clown antics of Glenn Beck.  He’s a political force as well as a controversial agent of divisiveness.  He may seem like a jester that many find difficult to take seriously, but he’s proven himself a master politician as well as a master baiter.


52 Responses to Glenn Beck: Master Politician or Master Baiter

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  2. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
    August 29, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Wow. What a delusional opinion piece.

    “The general consensus seems to be that Beck’s rally was little more than another of his attempts at race-baiting..”

    “General consensus???” By whom? Race-baiting? How, pray tell? You probably wrote this “analysis” piece long ago, full of false accusations. It must be hard for you to be objective. Oh, and “another?” As if he does this all the time?

    Let me tell you. I talked to a few of the blacks near me. To a person, they praised Alveda King. Toby (Raleigh, NC) asked me: “Do you realize how hard it s to be a Black conservative?” I can only imagine…

    “He [Glenn Beck] presented a clear strategy for the undermining of the Constitutional foundation of this country…” You go ahead and believe that bit of make-believe. Those of us who see the real truth will try and fight to protect you from the true undermining that has been quietly underway for decades right before your very eyes. Glenn Beck stresses returning to the foundational principles of our Constitution every day… How you can say the exact opposite is, well, incredulous.

    Maybe you should listen to Beck or Limbaugh for 30 days. Question everything they say. Research it. And see if your opinion changes.

    97,000? Yeah right… Believe that fantasy too…

    Don’t worry, even though the Ruling Class might try to dispose of your right to offer up ill-formed and inaccurate pieces through assorted regulatory measures from Cass Sunstein, we’ll do our best to defend your rights in spite of your misguided writings.

    • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Liam Fox
      August 29, 2010 at 9:39 am

      “He is a talented and charismatic communicator that wields a great deal of influence, and control, over a very large, very reactive, and very easily led audience.” ; )

      • -8 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
        August 29, 2010 at 9:56 am

        Just maybe folks are dying to hear people speak the truth. Folks are dying to hear people that think like them. Folks are dying to hear people with a world view similar to theirs. Instead of nonsense spewed by mainstream media, the majority of politicians, madison avenue, and educational elites.

        Judge what you will by tossing out denigrating terms like “easily led.” But it’s a cop-out.

        • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Liam Fox
          August 29, 2010 at 10:15 am

          “He knows his audience well. He plays every wedge issue to his advantage and the promotion of his agenda.”

      • -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
        August 29, 2010 at 10:04 am

        Here are some photos:

        • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Liam Fox
          August 29, 2010 at 10:14 am

          “There were more people of color on his stage of performers than there were in his crowd of approximately 96,000.”

          • -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
            August 29, 2010 at 11:58 am

            Duh. You can do better than a statement of “fact” untethered in such…

            Regardless of the truth of your statement — which appears to me as simply a lame attempt at a racial slur to obscure the lack of any real point…

            As I was saying… Regardless of the truth of your claim that there were not even a couple hundred “people of color” in the crowd, what does it matter? What is your point? Are you insinuating something about the hearts of the attendees (as if you could know that)?

            It’s freedom of choice to attend. Only in carefully-staged human backdrop behind televised campaign appearances (and stupid Madison Ave ads) is there a forced and artificiality to the mixture of peoples.

            Since you bring it up… Could the fact that a city (DC) made up of largely people of color did not turn out to an event like this in their backyard in droves signify something else? How could so many people not want to see Alveda King and hear the message of Faith, Hope, and Charity? Or hear the message of relying more on individual responsibility and less on Government? Did they not know about this event? Or are they “easily led” as you purport the attendees to be?

            From what I have seen and heard personally, maybe it was due to the huge bigoted stigma heaped on blacks that attend such “conservative” events. I wonder why that is? Oh, probably due to closed-minded point’s of view such as yours… which actually serve to deter diversity and maintain a dependent class. Optimistically (naively?), I hope this stems from ignorance versus being purposeful — but sometimes (often?) I am left wondering. It is as if this is discussed as a “voting block” behind closed doors and pandered to by the politicians, purchased by slightly too-comfortable social programs, and blindly backed by much of the media. It’s a disgrace that little has changed since the War on Poverty began. A travesty of human suffering. But that’s another story for another day.

            I want to close on a positive note: You are a good and spirited writer. We just have radically different world views and beliefs about mankind. To each their own. (Though it would be a blast to have a few hours/days of discussion over beers.)


          • -2 Vote -1 Vote +1RJ
            August 29, 2010 at 5:25 pm

            conservative values have nothing to do with color, unless you wrongly believe color = values.

            of course in some minds conservative = racist

            gimmeabreak…..looked like well over 100k to me

            • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Liam Fox
              August 29, 2010 at 5:38 pm

              Official report was 87,000, with a margin for error of plus or minus 9,000. When I wrote 96,000 I was being generous.

              • -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
                August 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm

                google it

          • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Michelle
            August 29, 2010 at 7:40 pm

            Do you think they will learn from this mistake, and bus in more people of color to attend his next gathering?

            • -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
              August 29, 2010 at 7:56 pm


              Only Acorn and SEIU organize buses for rallys. None of this was organized except by people themselves.

              We don’t need to be organized by others. We’re a very self-sufficient bunch. Which is what must piss off the Left and Big Government types to no end. Imagine such free-thinking peoples. Hard to subjugate our kind.

              • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Nicolette
                August 30, 2010 at 6:11 am

                Those who wish to redefine government as a religious institution will find it hard to subjugate “our kind,” as well. Interesting times ahead.

              • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
                August 30, 2010 at 7:27 am

                I agree with you Dave, as I am sure most of the attendees do. That is the farthest thing from our minds…

                You see, the funny thing is, we believe in what the USA Founding Fathers were trying to do for freedom and liberty.

              • Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Nicolette
                September 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm

                As a follower of Mr Beck, you must know that his personal mission is to restore God to America, and you must be aware of his religious interpretation of the Constitution. Tea Party followers like to call themselves individualists while using plural pronouns almost exclusively, and while chanting the same catch-phrases. A funny twist on “individualist.”

  3. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Jim Farnsworth
    August 29, 2010 at 11:33 am

    It’s difficult for me to take Mr. Beck seriously, but I think his ability to sway the lowest common denominator should not be underestimated. Although he would have no forum at all unless financed by “Fox”. He’s a made up chatterbox of their creation.

    • -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 29, 2010 at 12:31 pm

      if only you did a minuscule bit of research, you’d find out how wrong you are…

    • Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Nicolette
      September 1, 2010 at 1:59 pm

      It would be an error to underestimate a charismatic speaker who has demonstrated an ability to sway masses of people through his rhetoric, or to dismiss his followers as the “lowest common denominator.” The Tea Party represents a grass-roots movement of people who share certain basic beliefs and hopes, but who lack overall leadership.

      They have already demonstrated that they tend to ignore news that doesn’t reinforce their beliefs, and believe news (including falsehoods) that does. There have already been incidents of crude behavior, including interrupting the funerals of fallen soldiers who happened to be gay, spitting or pepper-spraying the faces of their grieving mothers.

      Some Tea Party followers are already primed to do literally anything at all, if only someone who appears to be a leader gives them the nod. Others can be whipped up to that point, as well. Now, what might one do with such an opportunity, if one were a skilled public speaker with a personal agenda?

      Look to history. It’s a familiar pattern.

  4. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
    August 29, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    I thought this occasion appropriate for bringing to mind Professor Roger Griffin research who cites

    Victor Klemperer’s LTI Notizbuch eines
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    Philologen at the conference in Northhampton England : Speaking in Forked Tongues, the rhetoric of right wing extremism today:

    § What was the most :powerful Hitlerian propaganda tool? … The most powerful influence was exerted neither by individual speeches nor by articles or flyers, posters or flags; it was not achieved by things which one had to absorb by conscious thought or conscious emotions.
    Instead Nazism permeated the flesh and blood of the people through single words, idioms, and sentence structures which were imposed on them in a million repetitions and taken on board mechanically and unconsciously…Language does not simply write and think for me, it also increasingly dictates my feelings and governs my entire spiritual being the more unquestioningly and unconsciously I abandon myself to
    « Words can be like tiny doses of arsenic : they are swallowed unnoticed, seem to have no effect, and then after a little time the toxic réaction sets in after all. If someone replaces the word ‘heroic’ and ‘virtuous’ with the word fanatical for long enough, he will come to believe that a fanatic really is a virtuous hero, and that no-one an be a hero without fanatiscism»

    • -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 29, 2010 at 12:33 pm

      Yes, Glenn has touched on this frequently.

      And who did Hitler’s propaganda minister learn from?

      You might be shocked (or not)…

      • +2 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
        August 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm

        Oh, I think that that Glenn Beck has got this down to a T (tea 😉 I think that he is quite expert at using forked tongue tactics I mean.

    • -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 29, 2010 at 12:58 pm

      Give up?

      I just googled it… Go to the link below and search for “Wilson” and read a bit…

      “In 1917, US President Woodrow Wilson engaged George Creel and realizing one of his ideas, he founded the Committee on Public Information. Bernays, Carl Byoir and John Price Jones worked together to influence public opinion towards supporting American participation in World War I.”

      Then search for “Goebbels” and read a bit…

      “In his 1965 autobiography, Bernays recalls a dinner at his home in 1933 where:
      ‘Karl von Weigand, foreign correspondent of the Hearst newspapers, […] said “Goebbels was using my [Bernays] book ‘Crystallizing Public Opinion’ as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany.” […]’ ”

      And if you can stomach more, read “Liberal Fascism” to truly shed light on dark spots no longer taught in our (government-run?) schools. Look no further than Wilson’s assault on the American public and the Constitution to know what “Progressives” truly value…

  5. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
    August 29, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    The extremme right (BNP) in England even did a video on how to fool people. Nick Griffin §not related to Roger) goes on to tell to a group of Texans, as I remember, how to throw “democracy”, “liberty”, etc, into every sentence. If you look into far right propaganda journals today, such as Willis Cartos American Free Press, you’ll notice right away this type of language. If you do a little more research, you’ll find out what a notorious racist this guy is. And of course, like all extreme right groups, he will say, “it isn’t racist, it is just commun sense”

    • Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 29, 2010 at 7:52 pm

      Extremists on the Left and the Right are more like each other than not. I abhor both. So what?

      What does this have to do with the discussion about the peaceful assembly at the Restoring Honor Rally?

  6. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
    August 29, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    And I agree very much with Liam Fox’s analysis and final statement: “Don’t be fooled by the emotional melodrama and rodeo-clown antics of Glenn Beck. He’s a political force as well as a controversial agent of divisiveness. He may seem like a jester that many find difficult to take seriously, but he’s proven himself a master politician as well as a master baiter.” His rivals too took Hitler for a clown. That didn’t bother him much.

    I must also add that I’m afraid that Jon Kern misunderstood my approach. It seems that people have become all too use to comparing our President to a Nazi without really knowing how they became so convinced. It seems like many people, convinced that they love their nation more than others, don’t realise that they are using Nazi propaganda tools themselves, forgetting all about democratic process. I’m quite shocked that this Tea Party thing, where our common heritage is misused to promote something which I believe is opposite of what our forefathers wanted, where a political cult members’ sign disfiguring our President with a Hitler moustache is finally also waved about by older folks (sometimes former veterans) normally concerned about their future, where politicians, religious members and television steep spread rumours they know to be untrue, in order to gain benefits, and their part of power. … It is frightening.

    • -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 29, 2010 at 7:35 pm

      Huh? Utter bunk that ye spew. What’s frightening is what you think about what we think. Simply astounding how opposite your reality is from mine.

      • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
        August 29, 2010 at 9:42 pm

        In a face-to-face conversation, people are not misunderstood so easily. I thought it necessary to explain my purpose after you mistakenly thought that I was referring to Obama as a Nazi!
        That is ridiculous. Even though on a world ranked status, Obama is very much in the center, however for the US at this time people feel that he is on the left. (Actually I think that he is probably no more left than Kennedy !)
        Nevertheless to compare him to a Nazi is to ignore history. Even if the term came originally from the German National Socialist Party, these people killed all the socialists once Hitler came to power on the “night of the long knives”. They were Nationalists and extreme right. Of course there have been totalitarian governments that are extreme left. But Obama’s government has nothing whatsoever to do with a totalitarian regime! If you scroll back up and note the reference for Viktor Klemperer’s book (I’m sure that it exists in English) and read it. You’ll find that name-calling is also one of the tactics of extreme right groups.

        • -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
          August 30, 2010 at 5:53 am

          1) I never thought you were referring to President Obama as Nazi.

          2) If you think National Socialists were extreme right, you are falling for the Communist ploy of the same era. Since both ideologies were vying for followers, the Communists wanted to stake their claim to the Left. Hence, they painted Nazis as being right-wing. That myth is still alive and well in the minds of most people.

          However, just look at what the National Socialist Workers Party actually did regarding government and industry take-overs, etc…. they were socialists. Socialism is left of center.

          To try and garner more public support, they threw in the “patriotic” word “National” to appeal to just Germans. Whereas the Communists wanted the *world’s* workers to unite.

          Research a bit, or read the book “Liberal Fascism” for more references.

          • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
            August 30, 2010 at 6:35 am

            1) Oh non? Then why did you send me to Google up Gobbels then and why do people at this rally carry Lyndon Larouche’s Youth Mouvement Posters of Obama with a Hitler Mustache.
            2) And, it is a frequent thing of the extreme right mouvements in the world to say that they are neither left nor right (as with the Larouche Mouvement who went from Trotsky in the seventies to Reagan in the 80’s all while continuing to be friends and publish with Willis Carto and company, all while not deniying his neonegationist point of view. He still does this with recent apparences in Arabe countries where he continues to rant against US, Great Britain and Israel).

            As for the governement take over of the industry in Nazi Germany, don’t you know that they just stold it from the Jewish people claiming that it was justice! Communists were also killed by the Nazi’s. Don’t you know that Stalin (extreme left communist ) was a US ally against Nazi Germany ?He was no friend of FDR but communicated with him to try to get rid of Hitler.

            And Obama hasn’t annexed the industry by selling them governement obligations, most of which have already been paid back. He is trying to save the economy that was ruined already when he came to office! He has certainly saved millions of jobs just as did FDR. The Nazis not only stold the industry from the Jewish, they forced them to work to death in them as slaves, without pay, and if they stopped, they killed them. A monstrous way to try to save the economy. That has nothing to do with Obama, you must certainly admit.

  7. Vote -1 Vote +1MostConservative
    August 29, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    Your piece starts with, “The general consensus seems to be that Beck’s rally was little more than another of his attempts at race-baiting and an affront to the civil rights movement…”
    Actually, if you look around, the consensus of opinion is exactly the opposite of yours. Go ahead. Look. Put Google to the test.
    Thus, if you opening statement is fallacious, then what follows must be also. QED.

    • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Liam Fox
      August 29, 2010 at 5:51 pm

      His stated goal to “reclaim the civil rights movement” is, in fact, race baiting, and an affront to the civil rights movement. This is a general consensus … outside the right-wing echo chamber.

      • -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
        August 29, 2010 at 7:42 pm

        As if you’re not in your own “inside the beltway, leftist” echo chamber?

        The amazing thing about MLK is the simple desire to be judged by the content of your character and not the color of your skin. Amen to that, brother. But politicians can’t make hay with that simplistic maxim — nor can the likes of Sharpton or Jesse Jackson gain power from that.

        So instead of helping hammer home true attempts to honor the racial embrace of equality for all, you toss out racial slurs like candy at a Halloween parade.


      • -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
        August 29, 2010 at 7:49 pm

        BTW: race baiting: “the making of verbal attacks against members of a racial group”

        How is Glenn Beck race baiting a “fact?”

        You are the one attacking the — in your words — mostly white group of attendees. Doesn’t that make you the Race Baiter?

  8. Vote -1 Vote +1Fuqdat
    August 29, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Well one things for sure Glen Beck the pundit sure brings out other pundits.. Wooh.. The reason Glen beck is able to catch so much steam is because no one will listen to the people that came out. Now I’m not mindless.. Meaning I’m neither democratic or republican. I don’t enjoy talking out my posterior like so people do.. I vote on the basis of who I actually feel is the better individual as opposed to sheepishly picking a label.. The big problem here is alienation.. Either the morons on the left much like Obama or the morons on the right much like Bush hammer thru what they want.. No side tries to find a middle ground when we have such pathetic leaders.. Now Clinton might have gotten a blowjob but at least that douchebag tried to work from the middle.. This is why Beck is being listened to.. You Choose the hard left and left no room for the right.. Why is it when a democrat is in office the left is BBQing a pundit and the right is BBQing a president? When the right hold the office they aren’t BBQing pundits. They are actually focused on the politicians in office or in little terms those who actually have power..

    • Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 29, 2010 at 7:46 pm

      You are right. The answer is not in a D or a R… The answer is in politicians serving the people with honor and integrity, not the lobbyists. The answer is in simplicity, not 2000-page bills that Congressman (like Conyers) don’t even bother to read.

      The last few presidents have been minor variations on a theme.

      Newsflash: we need a new theme.

      • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Matt
        August 29, 2010 at 8:02 pm

        Yeah, and the “Obama is a racist muslim” beck is the new theme we should be going after. His christian undertones are scary and anti American. This is a secular country, and he wishes to dismantle that fact while pushing right wing policies (which could actually help)

        Anyone who things beck is telling the truth about anything is a fool. Faux news is a joke.

        • -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
          August 30, 2010 at 5:44 am

          Nicely put!

          That is, if complete inaccuracy was your goal.

          Amazing what you could learn if you fact checked any of your “factual” claims above…

          signed, peaceful “fool”

          • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Matt
            September 6, 2010 at 12:02 pm

            Factual claims? Give me a break. He once said Obama hated white people. Look it up on youtube you fool. Glenn is an instigator of hate and stupidity. (like your posts)

            And he routinely talks about jesus on his show. You should watch it some time, it’s hilarious for anyone with a simple understanding of politics or US history or common sense.

        • -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Ellen
          August 30, 2010 at 6:14 am

          That is a total falsehood… This is NOT a secular country. Not by a longshot! Religious beliefs are alive and well. Do not be fooled into thinking that our belief in God is dead. There are those of us that will die for our beliefs. You may be blind, but some of us have our eyes wide open and it has NOTHING to do with politics.

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  10. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Martha
    August 29, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Thank you, Liam. I think you’re spot on.

  11. -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Ellen
    August 30, 2010 at 6:30 am

    I have been watching Glenn Beck for a long time. In the last year, the content of this program has changed. As a Christian, I have watched cautiously to see where this has been heading. I am not a sheep, a blind follower. For those of you who think this is more political posturing, you have missed the point completely. This is not about which party is in power, or even turning power over to God… making our country a Theocracy. It’s about turning YOURSELF over to God. I know those of you who think you are wise in the eyes of yourself will think I am stupid, and that’s ok. But you will miss the point of my message altogether as well. When you turn yourself over to God, then you desire better than what we have allowed ourselves to become. The answer isn’t in more government or which party is in power. It lies inside each and every one of us doing the right and honorable thing, even when we have everything to lose. That was the message that those of us in attendance understood on Saturday. NOT how to be a better “Tea Bagger” or “Racist” or any of the other slurs you want to throw out. When we stood shoulder to shoulder and sang, “I once was lost but now am found..” to the haunting sound of the bagpipes and made a public declaration of our love to God, that was what the message was about. But those of you haven’t submitted yourselves to God can’t see that because you put your faith in a wordly government that you think has all the answers, when it doesn’t. Glenn Beck has changed his message and this has confused people. He has been on national television and told people that if they haven’t accepted Christ as their personal savior, they need to do it and they need to do it now. That is not a personal, political agenda. That is a spirit-filled one. One that will have an eternal effect. I will also echo that… if you haven’t done so, do it. You are only guaranteed right now. Tomorrow is not guaranteed. It’s no longer about politics, don’t be fooled into thinking that it is. Blessings.

  12. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
    August 30, 2010 at 8:16 am

    I would also like to call attention to the Hope, Faith and Charity Tshirts with our forefather’s portraits. Portraying our forefathers everywhere is another typical manoeuver of extremists groups in the US and everywhere I suppose. It’s sort of a way of sponsoring our shared values without the actual signature from the sponsor (who would probably turn over in his grave!).

    You’ll find this kind of portrait in the office of Willis Carto, or on the webpages of Lyndon Larouche, for example. LL, for example, can’t write a page without putting up one of these portraits.

    Another amazing thing that seems to have escaped our attention: Glenn Beck’s magazine is called “Fusion”. This is the same name of Lyndon Larouche’s magazine until very recently, at least in Europe. Maybe these two work together ?

    • -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 30, 2010 at 2:36 pm

      Wow. On what sort of logic does that claim rest?

      Given: Extremists use forefather images.
      ergo: people who use forefather images are extremists

      hmmm. not so much.

    • -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 30, 2010 at 2:37 pm

      You’ve done more to promote LL and whomever W. Carto is (I refuse to google him) in this set of comments than I’ve seen in the last 20 years. Why do you do this?

      • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
        September 1, 2010 at 6:53 am

        The reason “I do this”? Well let’s say that I have been interested for some time in Populist movements and Populist manipulation for research reasons. They use euphemisms, (for example instead of saying they are “executing 6 million Jews, they say they are “carrying out special tasks”) metonymy, (a kind of equation by attaching full meaning there where there is only an small portion or “neighbouring” part of truth: solidarity would then mean = socialism = communism = Nazi or Black would mean Muslim = Islamist = Foreigner = Terrorist for populists that want us to hate blacks). This is close to scapegoating which is also a method frequently used. But there is also a lot of air spinning with concepts like godliness, honour, patriotism, etc., often accomplished with symbols, like at Lincolns feet, or with T shirts having portraits of our forefathers, etc. People fall for it. These are common values for the most part. I’m not saying that all people that post our forefathers images or that manifest these shared values are extremists. What you can be sure of however is that populists do use them to manipulate crowds and unfortunately, many extremists, including Islamists and Nazis, use these populists methods. The Nazis did. Polpot did. Larouche does. And so does Glenn Beck. Do you think the ends are justified by the means ?

    • -2 Vote -1 Vote +1Jon Kern
      August 30, 2010 at 2:39 pm

      Umm, again, if you did an ounce more of research (cuz obviously you are doing *some*), I bet you can find out the meaning behind the word “Fusion” for the magazine. Hint, it isn’t even remotely what you wistfully toss out there. It’s not hidden.

      • Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
        September 1, 2010 at 11:18 am

        I know, I picked it up on Glenn Beck’s site. Just the straw that came out the other end of the Bull…Just more populism to be more consistent with what I said before.

  13. Vote -1 Vote +1Heather
    August 30, 2010 at 5:07 pm

    Anyone trying to paint this event as hateful, intolerant and ignorant needs to take a good long look in the mirror.

  14. Vote -1 Vote +1B Bonneau
    August 31, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Here is an interesting link. It might be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

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