Four Things Not To Say To A Medical Marijuana Patient

Muraco Kyashna-Tocha, 49, of Seattle, has grown marijuana legally since 1999. Kyashna-Tocha has had five neck and back surgeries and said that using marijuana manages her pain enough so she can engage in daily life. Photo by Chris Joseph Taylor/The Seattle Times

By Steve Elliott

If you happen to be a medical marijuana patient like me, you’re well aware that there are lots of folks who still harbor some enormous moral judgments about cannabis and those who use it medically — even in the states where it is legal.

If you aren’t a patient, chances are you may either already know one, or soon will. As the acceptance of the medical use of pot grows, so does the number of patients choosing this option.

So let’s talk about those moral judgments.

Medical marijuana patients are too often given to understand that we should somehow feel vaguely guilty about the relief that we get through using the herb.

We are given, intentionally or not, little cues which seem to carry the message “You are a little less than entirely acceptable to polite society.”

To some of us, that feels a lot like “Why don’t those people just stay at home?”

While “interacting” with a proudly ignorant Twitter user today, I was freshly reminded of this unfortunate dynamic, and it got me thinking about the same old tired, threadbare judgments and stereotypes that patients must deal with, over and over and over again.

Sometimes the attitudes manifest themselves a little more subtly.

Such was the case with a prominent social media maven who, just this week, quoted me chapter and verse of YouTube regulations regarding “animal abuse and drug abuse.”

What brought that on? I jokingly mentioned the possibility of my doing the first-ever on-camera bong hit on his show.

It’s a sobering thought to me that there are still people who would equate any use of marijuana – even legal, medicinal use – as being roughly equivalent morally to torturing kittens.

Sobering and revealing, as in showing how much work we still have left to do.

Be that as it may, many of us just aren’t into apologizing for being medical marijuana patients.

We don’t see any need to be ashamed of our decision to replace harsh corporate pharmaceuticals, or to at least be able to cut down on their use, by using medical cannabis.

In the interest of furthering potiquette and harmonious interaction, here are four things that you might not want to say to medical marijuana patients.


1) “You’re refusing to leave puberty and enter adulthood. When I grew up, I stopped doing childish things, like using DRUGS.”

Yeah… They’re really still saying that, as if choosing not to be constantly nauseated and in pain is somehow indicative of some deep character defect.

You’d think that it’s “grown up” enough to take charge of your own health, your own body, and your own decisions.

It seems quite “adult” to me to do my own research, draw my own conclusions, and choose my own medicine.

But I guess what they really mean is, “I’m more grown up than you, because the federal government approves of all the drugs I take (caffeine, alcohol, aspirin, tobacco, Valium, Vicodin, Viagra, etc., etc.), whereas you smoke pot.”

The fact that using cannabis with a doctor’s recommendation is now legal in 14 states should theoretically poke a big hole in this argument… But since when has something as silly as logic entered into a topic carrying as much emotional baggage as marijuana?

Besides, for the foreseeable future (due to the spineless nature of most career politicians), the “Killer Weed” contingent is going to have the “But it’s still against federal law” argument.

They love using that one, which is probably why they’re so mad at President Obama for pledging not to thwart state laws legalizing medical marijuana.


2) But what kind of an example are you setting for “the kids”?

Sooner or later, discussions about the legalization of medical marijuana always seem to come back to this one.

The question often arises from perfectly good intentions, but reveals a somewhat peculiar worldview: That we should somehow be able to make the entire world, all of existence, into a safe, comforting, “G”-rated Disney film.

Well, first of all, that’s just not possible, and secondly, trying to do so invariably results in not a safer world for kids, but in less freedom of choice for adults.

Here’s a novel idea, when it comes to talking to kids about medical marijuana:

Tell them the truth.

Why is it so unthinkable to just tell kids, “Cannabis helps some sick people feel better”?

Wouldn’t we be better equipping our kids for the world, for their future, by telling them the facts, rather than some untenably sanitized version thereof?


3) Can you get me some good pot?

This happens to me, probably more often than you’d believe.

The answer is no, I can’t get you any weed.

If I did that, I’d be jeopardizing my own legal right to use and possess medical marijuana, which means I’d have to choose between feeling sick most of the time, or risking jail.

Don’t get me wrong; nothing would make me happier than for you to get all the pot you want.

Because I personally am of the opinion that medical marijuana patients, even in states that have nominally legalized it, will never be truly, entirely safe until it is legal for all adults.

Why is this? Many law enforcement officials just aren’t ready to give up the fight.

California and other states distribute “official training material” telling officers that marijuana is not a medicine, it’s all just a ruse, and it’s nothing but potheads looking for an excuse to get high.


(Never mind that all of this is in direct contradiction of the stated position of the American Medical Association: “Short term controlled trails indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake, especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis.”)

Those are the negative attitudes officers then take to the streets – and I can tell you, they aren’t conducive to treating ill patients with caring and respect.

Those attitudes, unless and until they change, are the reason that (a) I can’t get you any pot; and (b) It should be legal for all adults.

Those attitudes are conducive, unfortunately, to looking for an excuse – any excuse – to bust medical marijuana patients, because they’re “getting away with something they shouldn’t.”

I’m not going to give law enforcement any help finding that excuse.

So, until the day pot is legalized across the board, I’m sorry. I can’t get you any weed. Don’t embarrass both of us by asking.


4) Is pot your only concern? Why don’t you talk about something else, for a change?

I feel slightly silly even having to point this out… But being willing to take a stand, being passionately involved in, engaged with, and committed to a cause, doesn’t mean you don’t care about anything else.

In fact, it likely means just the opposite.

I’d be delighted to talk about something else.

And I promise I will, as soon as medical marijuana patients everywhere have safe and legal access to the medicine that works best for them, without fear of arrest.

Until then, I don’t plan on shutting up.

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This is the second week of a new daily series on News Junkie Post known as the Progressive Unity Project. Every day, there will be a new article published from the perspective of the environment/ecosystem, labor/unions, LGBT, immigration reform, science, legalization of marijuana, or secularity.

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Steve Elliott, a journalist since the 1980s, is based near Seattle, Washington.He worked for newspapers in Alabama and Mississippi before moving to the West Coast in 1999. While living in the Los Angeles area, Elliott edited two trade magazines, Business Fleet and F&I Management and Technology, until 2004.

Steve Elliott has written extensively for the S.F. Weekly, Eyes On Obama, and OpEd News. He now edits the Village Voice Media cannabis site, Toke of the Town. Steve online:   Twitter Digg

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60 Responses to Four Things Not To Say To A Medical Marijuana Patient

  1. Motherless Child February 13, 2010 at 6:18 am

    thanks for this article – some much needed common sense and compassion. I recently was “criminalized” in my family for my cannabis use as we were nursing my sister through end stage cancer, as all around me were swallowing ambien and alcohol, and as 200 of her oxycontin disappeared. (Ironically, my sister, even though she did not use cannabis medically or recreationally, never restricted my use nor judged me for it. ) Anger about my “criminal” behavior replaced grieving together as a family; knowing how false the anger is remains some small comfort, some days.

  2. thomas February 13, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Love it guys, keep on fighting. My next book is the amazing historical/constitutional story of pot. Amazing history, blatantly unconstitutional. Using my law degree to write a story that can really make a change.

    Keep on fighting.

  3. Fefe February 13, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Legal medical users are being denied organ transplants, yet they harvest and use organs from drug users. Witnessed this first hand with my nephew. They couldn’t wait to pull the plug! What a hypocritical system.

  4. Wayward Bill February 13, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Very sincere and compassionate piece. I’ll be sharing this and the News Junkie is a must have bookmark!

  5. Derek Cloar February 13, 2010 at 10:03 am

    Hello, I was inspire to fight for my rights from this article. My name is Derek Cloar & I am an Oregon Medical Marijuana Patient. I moved here last year for the freedom to use Cannabis legally. I recently have had my Rights violated as a father & as a patient. I have returned to my hometown 2 times in the past 3 months to see my two minor children. They have different mothers & the mother of my 3.5 year old son is trying to keep him from me due to my choice. Isn’t there some Civil right being violated too? I feel like my civil rights as a patient are under fire as well. I have only been back in Oregon a week & the emotional pain of separation from my children is overwhelming & I am packing to return to Indiana & start at the ALCU. If anyone has any advice or can offer any help I would appreciate it!

  6. James February 13, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Thank you for compassionately refuting these common misconceptions about the therapeutic use of cannabis.

  7. Tim February 13, 2010 at 10:38 am

    My stock response to ignorant and judgemental people is “so Doctor, what medical school did you go to, and when you first become these people’s personal physicians? Because if you’re not, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and if you indeed are, you’re violating patient privacy.”

  8. Bob Silvey February 13, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    As a 100% disabled Viet-Nam Veteran, I have to take a plethora of narcotics that I hate. They leave me in a stupor and I have a hard time doing even simple chores. I have PTSD, Chronic Pain, Hepatitis C, Colon cancer, and a cylastic implant in my forehead from a head injury. I don’t smoke cigarettes, drink, or use Medical Mj at all but would choose the Medical MJ over any of the substances I am forced to take to function. I do NOT advocate the use of Marijuana for recreational use but when I was able to use it was able to cut my medicine use by half. There is a complete misconception that it is worse than alcohol and I can assure you that it is not. There needs to be a change and I hope it comes soon. I fought for this country and only wish to use a plant that I know would increase my quality of life tremendously. I am an advocate for our returning vets of OIF/OEF. I hope they are able to use the medicine that I am denied.

  9. Norman Lepoff, M.D. retired. February 13, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Excellent article.

  10. Harry Hydro February 13, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    To question “3) Can you get me some good pot?”

    Answer: No. Go vote for people who will make it legal for you to buy it yourself.

    Vote dammit! Vote!
    Vote for pro-cannabis candidates. And let every candidate know that legalization is an issue.

    OverGrow

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  12. Jane February 13, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    I’m sorry but the vast majority of people that I know who use “medical” marijuana are long time users who are just scamming the system for legal pot. I understand if you have a terminal condition and need the medicine to relieve pain . But for depression – for glaucoma – for backache?? For “sleeplesness” WTF? You know there are medicines out there that relieve all those conditions just fine and guess what? The DON’T GET YOU HIGH.

    Sorry but my personal experience is that most medical marijuana users are just scamming the system.

    • Cuddles February 13, 2010 at 10:42 pm

      If you know people who are “scamming the system” TURN THEM IN.

      Until you do so, and until you learn who is NOT scamming and the reasons this drug is more useful and healthful than pharmaceuticals (yes even as a less-addictive drug to treat sleep deprivation caused by insomnia), please keep your obviously uneducated and self righteous opinion to yourself.

      Because it’s not hard to guess what you’ll think of my response I should add: I’m not a marijuana user, medical or otherwise.

      However, my 50-plus-year-old mother in law with a houseful of sons, a life-long Mormon background and a nursing career was DAMN relieved to finally WANT FOOD after months spent lying in a bed dying of lung, lymph and bone cancer.

      She found this relief through illegal means as we, her children, helped her at a time when legal means did not exist.

      And I would happily, GLEEFULLY even, do it again.

      By the way, it’s also a good idea to refrain from apologizing in your first sentence when you are obviously not apologetic, but are instead accusatory.

    • Adrian February 13, 2010 at 11:09 pm

      People take aspirin, Advil and Tylenol p.m. on a regular casual basis for all those symptoms. I’ve recently had my 35 year old friend die of liver failure from Tylenol p.m., not from abusing it but because of regular consumption to treat migraines and sleeplessness and irritability. “Getting high” is merely a side effect of a completely natural herb, compared to the endless list of physical and psychological fatal side effects that might come from things like Prozac, Zoloft or Paxil…you might actually smile and get little appetite from marijuana, compared to having suicidal thoughts, vision damage or sexual dysfunction from manufactured pharmaceutical drugs. Oh, did I mention we’re prescribing these dangerous psychosis medications to our kids? Our “misunderstood” dramatic, extroverted and expressive 15 yr olds who don’t seem to fit the box mold? Why are these “medicines” being embraced so indefinitely by the majority of the “polite” population; and a harmless herb, similar to saffron or tobacco, being disregarded as a highly harmful and addicting substance? Harmful if smoked but ingested is a different story. You might get a little gassy…and the reason for such a strong medicinal effect is because of the love, car and nutrients put into these plants. So could this be why this herb is criminalized? Because the government is unable to make money off of a plant you could grow in your greenhouse except by busting people? Where do think all that money goes to? Isn’t it amazing that tax payers are paying for some harmless smoker to sit in jail because he was busted with an ounce of oregano, while his kids get involved in trouble because there’s no father figure in their lives because mom’s has to work another job just to make rent? And there goes the vicious cycle all over again…
      How funny that the economy is in turmoil and the DEA is shutting down growing businesses that could quite possible stimulate economic growth. Was tobacco not the cash crop America was founded on? Cigarettes are being produced, controlled and sold at ridiculous prices to feed the treasury and yet cigarettes have been proven as a direct correlation in a number of health problems and considered extremely addictive. Is alcohol not controlled in a legal setting yet more people seem to do the stupidest and most fatal things when they’re on the drink? I’ve had many alcoholic friends admit that to me. I know many successful and brilliant people who use marijuana both recreationally and medicinally. The problem is not within the herb, the problem is within the people and people’s lack of self-control, and the fear tactics that have been hammered into society. Marijuana is not addictive; people just don’t know how to say, “No,” just like they can’t say no to their series of anti-depressants and psychosis drugs that they chase with alcohol more than a few nights a week. Is this really America in 2010? Are we really paying big brother to eliminate certain freedoms and come up with more ridiculous ways to tax us by use of permits and insurances? How could we be so behind compared to other countries in employing renewable energies and resources (hemp being one of them which grows fast and does not get you high)? Amazing that this is the amount of external control placed on American’s, you know, inhabitants of the land of the free…

    • Ole Ole Olson February 13, 2010 at 11:41 pm

      Jane, not every medical condition needs to be terminal to merit medicine. Cannabis is the same way.

    • Norman Lepoff, M.D. retired. February 14, 2010 at 12:56 pm

      This is absurd. Jane has no knowlege of pharmacology or medicine. I am sure Jane does not even know what cannabinoids are, or how useful they are for treating and preventing many serious and even deadly illnesses, including depression. It is this type of ignorance that is causing many people a great deal of harm. For this reason, I applaud Steve Elliot for writing his article. There are people who can be educated with the truth and facts, Jane is not one of them. Too bad for her and her children, if she has any.

  13. Dhiggs February 13, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    As a prospective medical student who has smoked marijuana in the past, I believe I am aware of its effects. However, as a potential doctor, I’m not sure why treatment in the form of inhaling burned Cannabis represents the best treatment for ill patients. I’d like to know if you’ve ever been prescribed marinol, the prescription form of THC, to compare its effects. I realize straight marijuana smoke contains other potentially active chemicals which may act in pain control, but I wonder if exposure to the other known carcinogens does more harm to salvageable patients than the analgesic effects can counter. I’m inclined to think a beneficial if psychoactive chemical may be worth more on its own than when combined with less critical, harmful byproducts of combustion. I smoked pot after having my wisdom teeth out, and did not find complete relief from my pain until also taking my prescribed vicodin.

    This, in turn, would mean that marijuana legalization need not be imperative in order for relief if marinol alone serves your purpose. I mean, smoking pot is great, but I don’t think it really needs to be legal for you to find relief if marinol is sufficient for relief.

    • Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ February 13, 2010 at 8:59 pm

      Dhiggs, that question is rendered moot by the availability and growing popularity among medical marijuana patients of vaporizers.

      Vaporization allows administration of cannabis without the inhalation of smoke and its associated carcinogens.

      As for Marinol, I’ve had a prescription for it. Simply put, it doesn’t work.

      I suspect the reason is that Marinol contains only synthetic THC, whereas marijuana is a rich symphony of cannabinoids, including most importantly THC of course, but also CBD and a host of others which influence the effects.

      • Dhiggs February 13, 2010 at 9:28 pm

        The point of a vaporizer (which is the only way I ever smoked) is that THC has a relatively low boiling point, so that you ostensibly get the active ingredient before other bad things. But I’ve never seen any sort of analysis of the content of marijuana smoke, and I’m positive as a biology student it’ll contain carbon monoxide, formaldehyde, and methanol, each of which have serious health consequences and boil at lower temperatures than THC (check me if you doubt it.)

        However, I do appreciate your (negative) appraisal of marinol. I live in Georgia, where God himself couldn’t pass marijuana legalization, so marinol for me isn’t available for comparison. I’d really like to know in the event that I get to prescribe, but for now all I have is my own experimental knowledge.

        • Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ February 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm

          Since this may actually figure in your future possible prescription decisions, I’ll say that marinol, as ineffective as it is, is better than nothing at all.

          In no way is it as effective as organic marijuana, though.

        • Lisa Welch February 14, 2010 at 2:59 pm

          I am an AIDS patient who also suffers from a chronic and debilitating pain disease called rsd (reflex sympathetic dystrophy, type II) or crps (complex regional pain syndrome).
          I was a navy wife for 13 years, and did not smoke pot recreationally. I only came to use it to deal with the pain of the rsd.
          Then 6 years later, I get hiv. It’s been 10 years now, and I am pretty sick.
          I have always been small… 5’0″ and 90 lbs. Now, however, I am down to 75 lbs.
          If it were not for mmj, I don’t believe I’d be alive right now. I absolutely cannot eat without it. I also have to increase the # of mg of morphine I have to take… upwards of 90 mg/day.
          I was on Marinols for years. They do very little indeed. They are synthetic, and DO lack the other cannabinoids that make marijuana work. To get any relief from Marinols, I had to take my full days dose at once and make sure I ate heavily during those few hours. That’s no way to live.
          We made the move here from Idaho, calling ourselves “medical refugees”. Now we can treat ourselves as we see fit, and I can use a lot less pharmies.

          • Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ February 15, 2010 at 2:43 am

            Thanks for sharing that, Lisa.

            Strength to you — I’m glad you were able to move where the laws are more compassionate.

          • Tycoon February 18, 2010 at 2:25 pm

            Because a sample of one on a random website weighs more than the overwelming body of scientific evidence already established.

            Quite frankly yoru statement that you are looking for “other cannabinoids that make marijuana work” sums it up. You are a junkie looking for a high.

            Stop distoring the medical truth for the rest of the world.

            • Somecoolguy February 18, 2010 at 9:03 pm

              “the overwelming body of scientific evidence already established.”
              Oh? By all means then you will be able to tell us where to see this scientific evidence, right?

              • Tycoon February 19, 2010 at 5:59 am

                Research it yourself you lazy progressive liberal. It is easy to find. Or are you too stoned to bother?

            • Somecoolguy February 19, 2010 at 3:04 pm

              Haha, I must be liberal to support freedom. I couldn’t be politically oriented like Thomas Jefferson or the REAL conservatives who believed in the Bill of Rights. Also, the burden of proof is on you. Your inability to provide proof simply goes to show how unsubstantiated and ridiculous your claims are. Don’t be a sore loser now. Oh, too late for that.

    • Norman Lepoff, M.D. retired. February 14, 2010 at 1:14 pm

      As a prospective medical student, you should do your homework before posting. You make youself look ignorant, because you are. The posts above may educate you so you do not make a fool of yourself in the future.

      As far as marinol, if you did any research, your question would be answered.

      Of couse if you did any research, you would know of all the natural cannabinoids and their therapeutic values, as well as the benefits of vaporization or using edibles.

  14. Somecoolguy February 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Jane, just because people you know abuse the system does not mean the majority of people abuse the system. Also, what you term as abuse of the system is not really abuse. People should be able to be free to chose what medication they want to treat whatever problems they have. People who self prescribe themselves cigarettes for conditions like stress with complete neglect to those around them inhaling their second hand smoke and possibly getting cancer are far worse than those who choose to smoke marijuana in the privacy of their homes for the same exact stress. Could you go ahead and find me a good prescription sleep aid that works while you’re at it that doesn’t have worse side effects than smoking cannabis? Also, for a backache, find me over the counter or prescription medicines that do a better job of relieving pain without more harmful side effects than cannabis. I would also like to add that I am not a medical marijuana patient, simply an advocate for freedom, something this country actually used to stand for.

  15. William Spendlove February 13, 2010 at 8:26 pm

    Make Weed Legal! Stop forcing your views of “The Pursuit of Happiness” onto others, let them decide how they would like to live their life. After all isn’t this America?

    @ Jane – Please do a little homework on a topic before you post your opinions.. you won’t look as foolish next time. And contrary to your belief yes weed does medicate depression, glaucoma, backache and funny enough, insomnia. That last one was almost a no brainer so again please do a little research next time.

  16. Alex February 13, 2010 at 8:31 pm

    I love the pot vs. pills argument.

    1. Pills can, and frequently do, get people high.
    2. Pills tend to have extremely negative and dangerous side effects.
    3. Strangely, parents seem far more concerned with keeping their kids away from pot than they are about keeping their kids from buying/trading pills, or raiding the medicine cabinet.
    4. If we want to do the right thing regarding kids, I guess this means we need to outlaw all dangerous medication that helps people, because kids might try to get high off of it. No, seriously, how is it different?
    5. What’s so horrible about getting high? Is this prohibition? Should I start morally condemning people who get buzzed at a bar, or, god forbid, a little drunk?

    • Somecoolguy February 13, 2010 at 8:38 pm

      Marry me, you are a goddess. Very well put Alex.

      • test February 14, 2010 at 1:34 am

        Try this for size.

  17. dragonet2 February 13, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    A great article and it makes me very sad. Pot was the only ‘illicit drug’ that I actually enjoyed. And it makes me very sad that I can’t use it, I hope I never get a pain condition that it would help.

    I’ve become allergic. So allergic that second-hand smoke makes my face itch like it has ants crawling on it. A friend who is fairly naieve sincerely looked at me when told that fact and went, “Well, have xxx make it into brownies.”

    I just stared at her and finally went, ‘you’re out of your mind, if the second -hand smoke can cause hives and itchiness, EATING it would likely KILL ME.”

    She ain’t real bright, my response just caused her to look a little cow-eyed at me. It make me a bit sad because I did like the feeling it gave me.

    • Steve Elliott ~alapoet~ February 13, 2010 at 9:31 pm

      dragonet2, it’s quite possible — even likely — that the irritant which caused your allergic reaction was a property of the smoke itself, not of the marijuana.

    • annonymous February 14, 2010 at 1:20 am

      You might have had some marijuana with mold on it. The medibles (brownies, any food with marijuana) won’t kill you, but it might make your stomach upset. I can’t even eat medibles without getting nauseous overnight. Plus changes are you will wake up the next morning still high, excuse me, medicated.

  18. grammar SS February 13, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    drug “trials” not “trails”

  19. jordan February 13, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    great article, great points. this is exactly how the argument for legalization should be structured – simple and honest. great job.

  20. Joe February 13, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Don’t worry author, my generation (Y and X) don’t give a care in the world about marijuana usage, it will be legal soon, it’s a joke it’s not already.

    Do you think Marijuana’s not legal because it’d take money from the rich? I just can’t believe that’d be the case. Oh wait, it is.

  21. Cheryl Shuman February 13, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    As always, this is a thought provoking article. I’m honored to call you my friend.

    Kindest Regards,
    Cheryl Shuman
    Executive Director
    Beverly Hills NORML90210.org

  22. Ole Ole Olson February 13, 2010 at 11:51 pm

    Editors note – abusive comments will be deleted immediately. Keep the discussion civil por favor.

  23. Steve February 14, 2010 at 12:15 am

    I’m 24 years old. I’m all for legalization. Especially for medical.

    FYI I stopped smoking about a year ago. Haven’t since. I smoked 10+ times a day for 6 years.

    You have the exact same reasoning and excuses as my 20-24 year old friends. Trust me, the reasoning sure does work when you’re high. It doesn’t when you’re not.

    Legalization all the way. I don’t know why this article was written but it only hurts the cause.

  24. annonymous February 14, 2010 at 1:13 am

    I am a medial marijuana card holder and you’re right, it shouldn’t be smoked (or eaten) for recreation use. However, places that help people on medical marijuana have meetings at least monthly and during those meetings, all the card holders smoke and have a party. I’d actually label those parties more recreational, however, they really help a lot of sick people. Why? Because a lot of medical marijuana patients can’t leave their homes, and nobody visits them. If it wasn’t for these “meetings” these people would never get out and see anyone.

    They do actually hold a meeting to discuss who in the medical marijuana society has been illegally busted by police and how to fix the senate and all that advocate stuff. Afterwards, some of these people go baserk… The people that are getting up, yelling and dancing at these things, need to be looked at.

    I won’t say what state I’m in but I am aware of the loop holes in the medical marijuana system (not talking about California where anyone can get a card). The state needs to make sure they cannot give those loop holes to marijuana users. Because these people who have no medical condition which is required to get a card, can smoke their husbands supply or friends and rip them off. Growers and care takers are allowed to smoke he medical marijuana users supply. They do not deserve it. Less meds for the patient, more for the normal people stealing marijuana.

    Does that make sense? It just bothers me. I’m talking about the growers and care takers smoking actual patients meds or never gives the patient meds at all. That’s what angers me. So that’s a free pass for two people in addition to the patient and believe me, people are taking advantage of that loophole.

    • Somecoolguy February 14, 2010 at 3:21 am

      If alcohol is used for recreational use, why shouldn’t marijuana be?

  25. Anaya Parry February 14, 2010 at 5:48 am

    Thank you!

  26. Storm Crow February 14, 2010 at 10:51 am

    I am saddened to see that many of you lack factual information about cannabis. Since this is a medical matter, those facts should come from reliable sources such as MedScape, PubMed, and medical journals. News articles about the studies would also be acceptable sources. But to gather the factual information about cannabis is tedious and time consuming- I know because I have done it.

    May I invite all of you to run a search on my “Granny Storm Crow’s MMJ Reference List”? I have collected the links to hundreds of studies and articles about the many medical uses of cannabis. All you have to do is click the links and read. What you’ll find are the scientific facts about this healing herb, not propaganda or misinformation. Please educate yourself! Thank you.

  27. Sharon February 14, 2010 at 11:36 am

    How about growing up?

  28. dan c February 14, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Please spare me ..i was smoking joints before most of you progressives were born…so spare me your b.s. on pain releif…its a rip and you know it..when you are stoned you could care less what happens around you..odd that all 14 states who have legalized pot are the same progressive states that voted for obama..the same states who have virtually eliminated the death-penelty also..left wing i hate america politics is your constant mantra..and of course whats next after hemp..cocaine.heroin..you guys want stop untill we all are never in our right mind..but high on some-thing 24 hrs a day.Progressive communist ..you know what you are..

    • Brady February 15, 2010 at 9:51 am

      Dan it would please me if you would do a little bit of research. or better yet go and visit a person with a serious disease that their symptoms cannot be even lessened without the use of drugs that make them a zombie. it saddens me that you would group people fighting for their freedom of choice on medicine with people wanting to abuse cocaine and heroin.
      It is a change in times, Yes the states had voted for Obama, yet you see him as the president now. and yes, people have their different reasons for fighting for this cause such as recreational use of the plant. but their is no wrong reason for fighting for your freedoms.
      The point is this is America this is the land of the free. if you do not want to take part in ‘getting high’ then please by all means do not. that is your choice. But ‘getting high’ goes with alcohol and prescription meds that the Federal Gov. deem legal as well as with marijuana.
      and seriously the hate you have for this drug i seriously hope you are against drinking just the same seeing as how if you do some research you will see that alcohol has much stronger effects than marijuana.

    • Oliver Steinberg February 15, 2010 at 3:22 pm

      Look out for the FACTS . . . In California, medical marijuana got more votes than Bill Clinton in 1996; In Montana, medical marijuana got more votes than George W. Bush, who CARRIED that state, in 2004, and in Michigan, medical marijuana got more votes than Mr. Obama—so the TRUTH is that medical marijuana is more popular than each of the last three Presidents EVEN in their own strongholds!! In Michigan, medical pot carried every single one of the state’s 83 counties. You real America-haters are the ones who would rather have a police state than to let the people make their own decisions.

  29. opinion February 14, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    I don’t have a problem with people using marijuana medically or recreationally, but I do have a problem with people using it and affecting me. I don’t want to smell it just like I don’t want to smell cigarettes. There are also a host of issues to be figured out before it can be legalized, such as regulating it similarly to how alcohol is, can’t drive under the influence, etc.

  30. Tycoon February 15, 2010 at 4:21 am

    I have a question to add to the list. Is there any way you could die faster and stop forcing your liberal hippie cures on a society that has moved on to a more scientific medicainal approach than throwing bones, counjouring up spirts and smoking the mary jane?

    • Oliver Steinberg February 16, 2010 at 9:28 am

      Swallow your bile, you bozo, and learn to spell better: “medicainal; conjouring; spirts.” When George Orwell coined the mottoes for the nightmare police state of his novel “1984,” he distilled the essential truths of totalitarianism, and your comment personifies one of them: “Ignorance is strength.”

  31. Tycoon February 17, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Oh I am sorry. Did I upset you first with my point of view, or provoking your anal retentiveness on spelling?

    Either way, the only people who subscribe to dope smoking for medicinal usage are the same tree hugging, crystal wearing, rainbow prancing folks who refuse to vaccinate their children for fear of autism.

    Ignorance is not in my camp fella. Look around the room at the dreadlocks your friends are sporting for a whiff of that animal.

    As for all those so called ‘educated’ folks who replied. Education does not mean crap you looked up on Google written by those with a particular agenda. It means reading and understanding peer reviewed journal articles based upon a statistically significant sample with replicable results of the issue at hand. There are plenty of those. Look them up to understand just WHY dope is for dopes. Dying or otherwise.

    I’d link some for you, but I won’t do your legwork for you. (And I doubt you would either as you are probably too stoned on the sofa.)

    So…smoke it up if you want. Blaze away on your bongs for all I care, but just don’t wave your moral poking stick at me trying to pass bullcrud about dope being ‘medicine’ because it is not.

    • Somecoolguy February 18, 2010 at 1:25 am

      Whatever your ideas of the definition of the word “medicine” are, it is completely irrelevant to the fact that marijuana has less harmful side effects and more beneficial properties in most cases than the “medicine” that big pharma prescribes to them. Do you have an argument for this?

      • Tycoon February 18, 2010 at 5:14 am

        Why yes… yes I do.

        Your statement that “marijuana has less harmful side effects and more beneficial properties in most cases than the “medicine” that big pharma prescribes to them” is a complete pile of steaming garbage.

        Do much thinking and reading for yourself? Or are to too bust protesting for your god given right to smoke the weed?

        The ONLY evidence you will find supporting medical DOPE smoking is ironically written by some dope activists or groups like NORML with a POLITICAL AGENDA.

        Let me put in terms you can understand. They are bumming out your trip dude and being a real drag.

        The legalise DOPE movement is exploiting the pain and suffering of weak minded simpletons so they can get reefer. They wrap themselves in the American flag and squeal about how the rest of us are denying the sick and invalids proper care.

        It makes me sick to my stomach how they take functional but lazy humans and twist the emotional arm using junk science to pervert medical care for thousand of suffering patients. (Would you proscribe DOPE for my nausea? Oh the irony!)

        You live in your dream world of bongs and tie dyed tee shirts. Just don’t inflict your stupidity on the rest of society with junk “FACT” you spew with nothing to back then up but tainted goggled articles.

        • Somecoolguy February 18, 2010 at 9:29 am

          First I’d like to point out that your attacks against me are not only childish and pathetic, but I would suggest you start seeing a therapist to get over the issues you clearly are consumed with from your childhood. Onto my real point: You can’t be serious. All of the results that I have read are from studies done by accredited universities. Maybe do a little research before going on and making an ass of yourself on the internet or spouting propaganda that you simply know is not true. Also, did you even read the reply by Lisa Welch? Are you going to completely ignore the fact that people should be free to choose what they use to treat their illnesses? What about FREEDOM? This country was founded on the freedom of choice, why must you inflict your morals and values and opinions onto those around you by telling them they can’t do something simply because you don’t agree with their point of view and their doing this has no effect on you? You sir, are a fascist. You clearly hate America and everything it stands for. I hope this post makes you red in the face, but I doubt I need much of that.

          • Somecoolguy February 18, 2010 at 9:47 am

            Also I might add, there is concrete scientific evidence that proves that marijuana is an effective treatment of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, osteoporosis, Alzheimer’s, liver disease, epilepsy, skin allergies, post traumatic stress disorder, as well as anxiety and depression. It has also been found scientifically to be neuroprotective and to cause neurogenesis.

            • Tycoon February 18, 2010 at 2:17 pm

              Again I remind you that Jimmy your DOPE dealer is not a good source of information. Just because you heard of a study, or some DOPE website copied an extract of a study does not make it valid EDUCATION on the topic.

              Are you also they type of blind follower who claim the debate over global warming is over?

              • Somecoolguy February 18, 2010 at 2:43 pm

                Well then, since you’ve decided that willful ignorance is the way you are going to go, this debate is over. Your attacks are ungrounded,ludicrous, and offensive. There is no logic behind your reasoning, and nothing that you have said is even remotely plausible or provable.

  32. Big Sur Buds February 18, 2010 at 9:45 am

    Wow… for those that care, the Ca. Nov. election will tell a lot, if not all.

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