May 1933: Hitler Abolishes Unions

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On May 2nd, 1933, the day after Labor day, Nazi groups occupied union halls and labor leaders were arrested.  Trade Unions were outlawed by Adolf Hitler, while collective bargaining and the right to strike was abolished.  This was the beginning of a consolidation of power by the fascist regime which systematically wiped out all opposition groups, starting with unions, liberals, socialists, and communists using Himmler’s state police.

Fast forward to America today, particularly Wisconsin.  Governor Walker and the Republican/Tea Party members of the state legislature are attempting to pass a bill that would not only severely punish public unions (with exception for the police, fire, and state trooper unions that supported his campaign), but it would effectively end 50 years to the right of these workers to collectively bargain.

Collective bargaining is a process of voluntary negotiations between employers and trade unions aimed at reaching agreements which regulate working conditions. Collective agreements usually set out wage scales, working hours, training, health and safety, overtime, grievance mechanisms and rights to participate in workplace or company affairs. -wiki

First of all, assaulting the rights of workers to collectively bargain has absolutely nothing to do with any immediate budgetary issues.  It does however have everything to do with ending one of the basic rights of labor to organize.

Second, and more importantly, the budget “crisis” in Wisconsin is both exaggerated and created in part by the new Republican power base as a tool to attack political opponents.  Walker decreased state revenue when he enacted tax cuts for the rich and big corporations, who are not surprisingly large campaign donors for his political campaign.

Photo by COTO Report http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/wisconsin-governors-fake-budget-crisis/

To the extent that there is an imbalance — Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit — it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January. If the Legislature were simply to rescind Walker’s new spending schemes — or delay their implementation until they are offset by fresh revenues — the “crisis” would not exist. -The Cap Times

Decimating unions has long been an objective of the rich and powerful.  Growing out of trade guilds in Medieval Europe, they were banned starting with the Ordinance of Labourers 1349 and Statute of Labourers in England.  It was not until the Industrial Revolution that labor began to organize again.

Every little gain for the rights of workers was hard fought and bitterly resisted by the rich and powerful.  The photo above shows the Lawrence Textile Strike (also known as the Bread and Roses strike) where mostly immigrant workers rebelled against increasingly harsh work conditions and lowered pay caused by mechanization.  Specifically, state law mandated a reduction in working hours for women and children from 56 to 54 hours, and factory owners responded by cutting salaries, something the poor workers could not afford.

Over time, organized labor managed to abolish child labor all together, as well as institute an 8 hour work day, 40 hour work week, mandatory breaks, safety guidelines, grievance procedures, a minimum wage, the concept of a work free weekend, workers comp, pensions, health safeguards, and paid sick days, vacation days, and holidays.  If you enjoy any of these things, thank a union member and support the passage of a strong Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA).  

Collective Bargaining in the US was finally legalized for the private sector on a countrywide scale in 1935 with the National Labor Relations Act signed by FDR.  JFK signed an executive order extending this right to the public sector in 1962.  This is the key measure

Governor Walker’s bill being sped through the Wisconsin legislature would mandate health insurance contributions by public employees, force them to pay more for their promised pensions, and remove bargaining rights.  When public employees started protesting, Walker instructed the state National Guard to be “prepared” if any “problems” should arise, in what could be described as a thinly veiled intimidation tactic.

Although this draconian bill will not outlaw unions, it will effectively neuter them, as their CPI adjusted wages will be frozen and all other means cannot be improved as a whole.  Public sector unions will lose their freedom to negotiate against the state together.  This is a deliberate tactic to punish political opponents and to effectively lessen the rights of working Americans everywhere for the benefit of the rich and multinational corporations.

Walker’s plan to eviscerate collective bargaining rights for public employees is right out of the Koch brothers’ playbook. Koch-backed groups like Americans for Prosperity, the Cato Institute, the Competitive Enterprise Institute, and the Reason Foundation have long taken a very antagonistic view toward public-sector unions. Several of these groups have urged the eradication of these unions.  In Wisconsin, this conservative, anti-union view is being placed into action by lawmakers in sync with the deep-pocketed donors who helped them obtain power. (Walker also opposes the state’s Clean Energy Job Act, which would compel the state to increase its use of alternative energy.) At this moment—even with the Wisconsin uprising unresolved—the Koch brothers’ investment in Walker appears to be paying off. -Mother Jones

In response to this open revolt on at the Wisconsin state capitol, which saw crowds initially in the hundreds quickly swell to tens of thousands, a Tea Party group hastily organized a counter rally on Sunday.  Dozens of free buses were mysteriously available from both inside and outside the state for Tea Partiers, with no mention of who paid for them, leading to speculation that this is blatant corporate astroturfing. At publishing time no camels were being charged into the estimated 70,000 pro-worker/anti-Walker demonstrators [creative humor license].

Photo courtesy of @cwoodardnews http://twitpic.com/41j2ra

The Americans for Prosperity group, a Tea Party group that is a Koch Brothers front, has put up a website [for the Tea Party Rally that] attacks all collective bargaining – not just for public employees’ unions. -Forbes

Wisconsin is ground zero in the fight for worker’s rights in America.  Following the ultra-conservative sweep of many state legislatures and governorships in the 2010 midterms, most Republicans are salivating at the opportunity to destroy the last stronghold of organized labor in America: the public sector.

Last year, more working people belonged to a union in the public sector (7.9 million) than in the private (7.4 million), despite the fact that corporate America employs five times the number of wage-earners.  37 percent of government workers belong to a union, compared with just 7 percent of private-sector employees. -Alternet

The percentage of the work force that have been organized has been declining (along with many other things) since Reagan and the conservatives took power, ending the Great Compression and starting an epoch in American history known as the Great Divergence (which culminated in the Great Recession, which we are in today). Pro-corporate, fiscally conservative policies (such as deregulation and underfunding) have severely damaged private sector unions, unions that set the bar for standards and pay for all workers (thus, contributing towards the huge wealth concentration that is taking place).

The one point where this anti-union trend has not taken place is in the public sector.

This is precisely why the conservatives (mostly in the Republican Party) and their corporate masters are now planning the next phase in their strategy: to destroy public sector unions across the country.  Right now, their assault has triggered a massive and growing revolt by not only public sector unions, but students, progressives, and working men and women across the Upper Midwest region of the US.

The corporate front groups are desperately trying to play catchup and unleash their Tea Party legions, who need little convincing as apparent from the We Stand With Walker Facebook page.  The fear and hate caused by disinformation and Fox Propaganda is palpable, and they are only too eager to “fight back” against supposed union transgressions both in the workplace and in demonstrations.

Which brings us back full circle. Union busting measures by Republicans in Wisconsin this week have brought up some disturbing historical parallels to another sad chapter from human history.  This writer is not trying to say that Republicans are Nazis and the Tea Party are their Brownshirts, only that the union busting, corporate control over the government is part of the definition of fascism (along with authoritarian nationalism).

The attacks on unions that are taking place in American society today echoes a very sad chapter in Western history where unions were smashed for the benefit of a far right authoritarian corporate regime.  When Hitler abolished unions in 1933, it was followed by a 25% drop in real wages, and ended the ability of workers to protect living standards, and this is one of those times where history should not be allowed to repeat itself.

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231 Responses to May 1933: Hitler Abolishes Unions

  1. -19 Vote -1 Vote +1Al Brown
    February 23, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    I don’t think collective bargaining became legal under FDR. It was always legal. People could always form a group and then try to negotiate with others.

    What became legal was coercing employees who did not agree with having a union to join a union. In other words, individual bargaining became illegal. And I’m pretty sure all individual bargaining was also made illegal when Hitler’s collective imposed his monopoly upon Germany.

    • -29 Vote -1 Vote +1herelast
      February 24, 2011 at 11:42 pm

      Germanys-> unemployment figures : 1933 26.3 %, 1934 14.9 %, 1935 11.6 %, 1936 8.3 %, 1937 4.6 %, 1938 2.1 % ..

      • +22 Vote -1 Vote +1tim
        February 24, 2011 at 11:49 pm

        What an ass! Of course the figures were low, Hitler was building a war machine and it needed Austrian, Polish and French gold to power that machine. Herelast your fool!

        • -12 Vote -1 Vote +1Will D.
          February 25, 2011 at 8:38 am

          Hey Tim:
          Now go back to your textbook and tell me what the tax rate in Germany was for those years. Now re-think your logic.

      • +18 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
        February 25, 2011 at 2:35 pm

        That is because MILLIONS of people were put in FORCED SLAVE LABOR CAMPS like my grandfather who was conscripted because of his SDP membership. It is one thing if people are being Paid for thier work it is entirely another when their labor is given for free to the likes of IGFarben. Hitler put the Trade unionists and anyone who belonged to the SDP or KPD into forced labor camps six YEARS before he started atacking Jews. Kirstalnacht was in 1939. He started filling the camps in 1933 with political prisoners. Even my mother was assigned to farm labor as a teenager FOR FREE. She was paid in leftover eggs and scraps of bread. Arbeit Macht Frei!

      • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Mark
        February 25, 2011 at 3:15 pm

        I think you all are missing the point… I think herelast is saying something to the effect of: who cares what the unemployment figures are if you need to resort to gov’t mandated pay freezes, army conscription, dismissal of women from positions as doctors or civil servants and paying them to stay home, gov’t seizure of private investments, slave labor, 250% increase in gov’t spending and major deficit spending to get there?

        • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1s
          February 25, 2011 at 7:37 pm

          herelast’s figures show that as the nazis grew in power, there were more jobs….because the Nazis KILLED SO MANY PEOPLE. Even if herelast did not intend this, that is what the numbers show.

      • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Steebo
        February 27, 2011 at 11:26 am

        Yes this tends to happen when you massacre your opponents….more jobs for your supporters!

    • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Sdubs
      February 25, 2011 at 8:29 am

      Actually, you’ve got it wrong there. Here’s how it works:

      Individual bargaining has never been illegal, nor is it today. What you’re (presumably) thinking about is the fact that collective bargaining usually displaces individual bargaining once a union is on the scene. This is because the workers have voted by a majority to join the union and have the union bargain for them. In essence, unions are democracy at work on a smaller scale. A majority of workers can always oust the union if they feel that it no longer represents what they want, and the employer can always ask for a de-cert election if it has a good faith belief that the union no longer has a majority of workers backing it. In other words, no one is being required to individually or collectively bargain unless a majority of the non-management workers want it that way: that’s not fascism, that’s small scale democracy.

      It is also worth noting that there are separate regulatory regimes for labor. There is the NLRB which handle all private employer/private union regulation, and then each state has control over its public union laws. Hence, the regulatory structure isn’t as simple as the FRD/NLRA/NLRB reforms, and I think you would be wise to acknowledge that rather than just give this the glib gloss that you do.

      • Vote -1 Vote +1deniro1111ch
        February 25, 2011 at 8:35 am

        100% rigth good for you smart move

    • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Rich
      February 27, 2011 at 6:23 am

      Collective Bargaining became legal from the Wagner Act in 1935 and Roosevelt was the president at that time. Your could NOT legally collectively bargain before that. The Clayton Act preceded it as a measure of restraining the businesses from being unfair to the employees. It was turned around against the employees though. The Wagner Act took two years to be certified by the US Supreme court and it finally was confirmed to be law in 1937.

      Before these two acts (and others but these two are pivotal), you could be imprisoned for up to life and the possibility of being executed for seditious and treasonous acts against the country.

    • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dennis Ducey
      February 27, 2011 at 7:29 pm

      Obviously the Al you and many that share your opinion don’t understand the meaning of democracy or the laws that govern unions. Under the statutes enacted by FDR a public sector unions, have the same rights as any union under the Taft Heartily Act, that is they could only be formed if the majority of the workers in the employ group vote to be affiliated with the union. Under the Taft Heartily Act no one is compelled to join a union, but in states that allows closed shops, employees that don’t want to join the union can be required to pay their fair share of the cost of negotiating the contract that gives the same wages and working rights that Union negated for its members. That is the essence the democracy and laws we live under. In case you forgot in a democracy the majority rules, for better or worse. Those who did not believe in our democratically elected US governments decision to send them fight in Vietnam had two choices; go to war or leave the country. As painful as it might be workers in a bargaining unit have the same rights if they don’t want to pay their fair share they can look for work in a “Right to Work State” that out laws “Closed Shops and Union Security Claws in union contracts. Winston Churchill said that democracy was the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried over time. In deed democracy without check and balances can lead to the ternary of the majority, such as in the states recent attempt to pass a law to legalize killing Abortion Doctors, the Taft Heartily Act sets up strict check and balances on the powers of the union movement, indeed no other organization in this country are required under such tight regulation.

  2. +29 Vote -1 Vote +1Malice In Wonderland
    February 23, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    The point which needs stressing here is that Nazi Germany under Hitler was fascist.

    One of the defining factors of fascism is the ownership of government by corporations and/or private individuals. Corporations are typically amoral with little to no concern with the well-being of their wage slaves hence their intolerance of unions and their complete disdain for the concept of “a fair days pay for a fair days work”.

    It’s the corporate ownership of government and its dangerous links with fascism that people need to wake up to.

    All this muddying of the waters by throwing gun control into the mix is just a Koch-sucker foil to avoid addressing the real issues here.

    • +16 Vote -1 Vote +1greg
      February 24, 2011 at 2:11 am

      Do you actually believe this is NOT a fascist country right now? That we are NOT a government of the banks, by the pharmaceuticals, and for the oil cartels. Do you believe that the “New Republican, Evangelical, Christian, Nazi Party” is NOT a fascist organization?

      • -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Jeremy
        February 24, 2011 at 7:20 am

        Okay, greg, let’s assume everything you say is correct:

        1. US is a facist country
        2. The government works for the banks, pharmeuceutical companies, and the oil cartels
        3. “New Republicans, Evangelical, Christian, Nazi Party” is a Facist organization.

        So currently the highest position in the land is controlled by someone not supported by the “Facist organization” in number 3. So if we are still a facist country without the “Facist organziation” you identified not in power, it must mean that the other side is a Facist organization also. So to define your theory both political parties are facist.

        • +19 Vote -1 Vote +1greo
          February 24, 2011 at 10:03 am

          Yup. You got it. I don’t disagree with what you wrote, But in my humble opinion, most of what we are shown in the media is just part of a complex structure of deception much like the “Potemkin Villages” erected to fool Catherine II of Russia in to believing that something constructive was going on. It is all a giant 24-7 talking head “dumb show” to keep us occupied with emotional laden discussions about a stupendous array of “red Herrings” so we won’t notice what’s really going on. And, the parasites continue to rape our country. One example only; The relationship between the Bush family et al and the Saudi Royal family has not changed one iota over the years regardless of which party is “in power”. It doesn’t matter who is making the most noise, the left wing crazies or the right wing crazies; as long as the oil flows. It matters not at all who you vote for or who is elected. It is the people who own the process who need to be “thrown out of office”.
          Just my own paranoid view on reality.

          • -8 Vote -1 Vote +1Machoney
            February 26, 2011 at 3:09 pm

            You are both wrong. It seems that you got a lot of a leisure time lately. You both could have used your time better to do some work. End your slacker life and begin to work in one of my mint companies.

            Apply now as a miner and work for Machoney.

        • Ole Ole Olson
          +16 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
          February 24, 2011 at 2:47 pm

          Jeremy, I believe where things go haywire is to examine who actually controls the levers of power. During the health care debate for instance, every piece of reform has always enjoyed majority support (except the mandate and 1099′s), but with the razor thin margins the Democrats had to work with in Congress, all it took was the insurance giants to target a few key politicians to effectively destroy the strongest reforms (like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, and Max Baucus).

          They also spent hundreds of millions of dollars on advertising to demonize key aspects of reform, and flooded the Capitol with lobbyists (6 for every congressman/woman). Add to this astroturfed Tea Parties meant to give the illusion of popular resentment for reform, and the reformers were overwhelmed.

          There have been many arguments as to whether Obama is a really a reformer or a corporatist in disguise as well. I want to believe in him, but when he keeps appointing big bankers to high positions in his staff, it really makes me question his commitment to breaking their hold.

          • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Brian
            February 26, 2011 at 6:03 am

            I have become increasingly cynical as I’ve watched Hope dissolve into one more diluted corporate political mess. Health care was destined to fail or get swallowed by the Pharma-Insurance beast. Any world policing can’t be just for the sake of being good global citizens: if we’re spending resources we have to see a way it can benefit us (i.e. oil or grossly favorable trade agreements). Our presidential financial advisors are made up of some of the CEOs who helped collapse Wall Street and the housing market. The USDA secretary is in the pocket of Monsanto (how is that going to help our farmers?).

            I have become less anti-corporate in the last few years since there are many that treat their employees well, have green initiatives, feed into their local communities, etc. There are a handful, though, which hold the strings of their puppet politicians which further consolidates the power and those are the Kochs, Big Pharma, Big Oil, and Big Banks. Essentially the ones with enough money to completely saturate and control every element of their industries. Enter fascism: it doesn’t matter who is in office, because the system is already corrupt. Once you give one little piece away (like collective bargaining), it all starts to crumble down. And as it does, there’s no chance of ever getting any of it back. (i.e. Once you agree to pay for some of your health care, that percentage will gradually increase until it’s 100%).

            • +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Dennis Ducey
              February 27, 2011 at 8:04 pm

              As discouraging as it is to see how many people are buying into the massive propaganda campaign strategy financed by corporations through the National Chamber of Commerce and a vast array of unregulated tax free foundations to subvert our “government of the people, by the people, for the people” into a [government of the Corporations, by the Corporations, for the Corporations]. It is clear and obvious why the Tea Party Republicans want to cut all funds to PBS and insure that people be left to relay on Corporate ran television and radio, propaganda. As discouraging as this is, it is encouraging to see how many people here see through the propaganda. Please keep speaking up for our democracy as put forth in Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address and the Declaration of Independence; we are the last line of defense.

      • -10 Vote -1 Vote +1herelast
        February 24, 2011 at 11:40 pm

        Germanys.. Unemployment figures : 1933 26.3 %, 1934 14.9 %, 1935 11.6 %, 1936 8.3 %, 1937 4.6 %, 1938 2.1 % .. you are welcome to check my facts..

        • +9 Vote -1 Vote +1alex
          February 25, 2011 at 7:02 am

          Well, yeah. If you kill off a large percentage of your population unemployment is bound to go down. duh.

  3. -25 Vote -1 Vote +1i call BS
    February 23, 2011 at 9:43 pm

    Sorry you all this is BS. When i read this i remembered that once my grandfather showed me his worker’s card from the Deutsche Arbeitsfront (DAF) It was the big nationalized union. Sure it was created by Nazis… everything was, that is the neet thing about NATIONAL SOCIALISM… the government controls everything and it creates a nice classless society that is a worker’s utopia. Hitler just “nationalized” the unions like our president “nationalized” health care. This is from the actually circular that dealt with the “coordination” of the unions under one national umbrella:

    “The taking over of the independent trade unions must proceed in such a fashion that the workers and employees will not be given the feeling that this action is directed against them, but, on the contrary, against a superannuated system that does not conform to the interests of the German nation.”

    Which BTW is what most leftists are pandering for nowadays anyway. Nationalize this, nationalize that… Lucky for him, my grandfather could flee Germany and come to America. Where can I take my kids and flee to when the

    • +53 Vote -1 Vote +1Robin
      February 23, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      I suggest you flee to Somalia. You’ll love it there. It’s a libertarian paradise. No unions. No income tax…heck, no government. Lots of guns…oh, and no health care. Enjoy.

      • -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Ben
        February 25, 2011 at 1:03 pm

        I hate when people point to Somalia as what a libertarian society would look like. You can’t spend generations under crushing tyranny and then expect everything to be great overnight. But, if you do look into the relevant statistics the country has been improving since the gov collapsed. Which I guess means you just shot your self in the foot bringing this up.

        As an aside the gun owner ship rate in Somalia is extremely low.

        http://namcub.accela-labs.com/pdf/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

    • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1v1wer
      February 24, 2011 at 2:02 am

      comparing hitler to obama, makes you look very smart… not!
      Have you ever read a history book?

    • -6 Vote -1 Vote +1mikerio
      February 25, 2011 at 2:04 am

      I call bs is exactly correct.When Hitler was aworker before his time in the firstWW,he coplained of wages and conditions.After the war his voice became heard in the work areas ,got bigger and bigger, the german worker union was formed. He got bigger and bigger and was put in prison for what he called political reasons.He created unions for the german people and they didn’t like it,so they created a charge and put him in prison. The NSmovement was created after that he became stronger and stronger. Then the time came for him to turn the NSparty into a dictatorship.Which is why I find it funny when people call parties Nazies.That regime was neither republican nor democratic.It was both and all,GOVT’ control.I’m not for or aginst unions,some places they work and thats great.But after time one way or another,whatever form or another ,the end result is someone at the top gets greedy….Read history from start to finish and you won’t look as foolish.

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Eddie Young
      February 26, 2011 at 2:49 pm

      Please try N Korea. Your clan will be a perfect fit!

  4. -28 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave
    February 23, 2011 at 10:03 pm

    Dear Idot,

    Hitler was a socialist.

    • +21 Vote -1 Vote +1jon
      February 23, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      Dear retard,

      He was a national socialist, I’m sure even you can google the difference between the two.

      • -6 Vote -1 Vote +1paul
        February 24, 2011 at 4:38 am

        use the full name of the party please:

        The National Socialist German Workers’ Party

        • +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave
          February 24, 2011 at 8:08 am

          It said it was the difference between suicide and murder

        • Ole Ole Olson
          +11 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
          February 24, 2011 at 2:12 pm

          So would you consider the Democratic Republic of North Korea to be a democratic republic then?

          • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1s
            February 25, 2011 at 7:43 pm

            perfect answer!

        • +13 Vote -1 Vote +1s
          February 25, 2011 at 7:42 pm

          The name was a disguise, one to make members feel like they were all in it together, and they were the chosen ones working toward that aryan dream.

          It’s kind of like Conservatives calling themselves Conservatives, when they spend more than anybody else.

          • Ole Ole Olson
            +9 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
            February 25, 2011 at 11:27 pm

            I think the far right has always been masters at relabeling themselves into something that they are not. For instance “Americans For Prosperity”, which is the Koch brothers astroturfing group that actively works against the prosperity of most Americans. Freedomworks would be another one. I think most self described “patriots” could fall in this category too, as they seem to be ultra-nationalistic and seek to subvert the basic societal freedoms that our founding fathers sought to protect.

            • +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Dennis Ducey
              February 27, 2011 at 8:39 pm

              Ole Ole Olson you are a voice of sanity in a cacophony of insanity. Again it’s good to see that “You can fool some of the people all the time, most of the people some of the time, but you can’t fool all of the people all the time”. The sad thing is that the massive propaganda campaign by the Fare Right, financed by the Koch Brothers and their fellow greedy corporate leaders and their minions at Fox that call propaganda news are proving that fare to many people are into the first category and don’t bother to learn our history and are being lead down the path to ruin that has repeated so many times through history when greed becomes more powerful than common sense.

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1damie
      February 24, 2011 at 7:11 am

      Hitler was a murderer. All he did was inspired by a fantical push to eliminate non-aryans. You can manipulate anything for a terrible cause.

    • +9 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
      February 25, 2011 at 2:52 pm

      YOU dont have a clue. Hitler hated socialists…. He said so…. Read Mein Kampf and get it from his own mouth.

    • Vote -1 Vote +1BB
      February 28, 2011 at 9:39 pm

      Yeah, a National Socialist, Einstein.

  5. -43 Vote -1 Vote +1Harry Kuheim
    February 23, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Hitler then ,and everyone today, knows Unions are pseudo- Communists who put themselves first at the expense of everyone else all the while preaching “Social Justice”.

    • +21 Vote -1 Vote +1tim
      February 25, 2011 at 12:00 am

      That’s a bunch of crap! Unions represent every day normal people. The only thing keeping US companys from becoming Chinese sweat shops are unions!

      • -12 Vote -1 Vote +1mike
        February 25, 2011 at 8:58 am

        Im sorry but Unions began with that purpose, then the federal government enacted laws about the work environment, minimum wage, benefits, time worked and that is what is preventing US companies from becoming like the Chinese sweat shops. Unions are only out to destroy companies, as they have done so on many numerous occasions. And by some miracle were we able to save Big Auto from being destroyed by unions during this financial crisis.

        • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Mathew
          February 25, 2011 at 10:37 pm

          It wasn’t some miracle – it was Obama and the bailout that so many Republitards are now so very grateful for!

    • +14 Vote -1 Vote +1julia avila
      February 25, 2011 at 9:57 pm

      We are all being manipulated to believe a bunch of lies. The rich continue to rob this country and our pensions blind. One day we will wake up and see the truth and it will be too late. We are all continually being divided and hence fight each other instead of the real enemy.

  6. -25 Vote -1 Vote +1jon
    February 23, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    Hitler was dominating Europe to create an absolute paradise for the German people. They would have been the most well paid workers in the world had his plans succeeded , his idea was to pacify by destruction for a better “Europe.” Too bad for him it failed. :x

  7. -8 Vote -1 Vote +1cab
    February 23, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    FDR even said that there should be no collective bargaining
    “Meticulous attention,” the president insisted in 1937, “should be paid to the special relations and obligations of public servants to the public itself and to the Government….The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”

  8. +8 Vote -1 Vote +1Chris
    February 23, 2011 at 10:23 pm

    Anyone who invokes Hitler’s abolition of unions also has to invoke his gun control policies.

    • +10 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
      February 25, 2011 at 2:58 pm

      Under the Weimar Republic gun ownership was severely rescticted. Upon taking power Hitler Liberalized Gun ownership. He had no fear of the German people. He did however not allow Jews to own guns.
      http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcnazimyth.html

      • Ole Ole Olson
        +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
        February 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm

        Great citation Heidi. Thanks for sharing it with us, I learned something today!

      • Vote -1 Vote +1B.C. Matthews
        February 26, 2011 at 6:48 am

        Thanks Heidi for the link. Found the last two sentences to be very interesting and so correct .

  9. -25 Vote -1 Vote +1Rebel
    February 23, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    This is preposterous. To compare what Republican governors are seeking to do regarding collective bargaining, which in no way bans unions to a man and his policies that wound up leading to the deaths of 6,000,000 of my fellow Jews, some of whom are my own blood, is not only offensive, but degrading. To the writer of this article: Go visit Auschwitz and stop comparing the GOP to the Nazi Party.

    GFY,

    Rebel the Republican Jew from Mississippi

    • -10 Vote -1 Vote +1Tal
      February 23, 2011 at 11:27 pm

      So true. This guy’s just looking to get a rise out of people. Don’t let it bother you.

    • -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Rebel
      February 23, 2011 at 11:35 pm

      Maybe I shouldn’t have closed in GFY, sorry to the writer. Regardless, this comparison was inappropriate. I can find you plenty of regimes that banned collective bargaining you can use for comparison that won’t piss off an already kicked on group.

      • +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Robert
        February 24, 2011 at 6:47 am

        A Repulican Jew ? You must be very confused. I thought a strict allegiance to Jesus was mandated by the GOP ?

        • -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Rebel
          February 24, 2011 at 4:40 pm

          Nope, not confused at all. The GOP is the party of Zionism. Jewish Democrats tend to be the self loathing type.

          • +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Mathew
            February 25, 2011 at 10:47 pm

            Clearly a confused Jew who doesn’t see the similarities and hence fails to see the patterns.
            Hitler didn’t start out murdering millions of people – he first made sure that no opposition existed by the time he started that part of the plan: Socialists, Communists, Unions…all inside Concentration camps since way before the “Endlösung”.
            The attacks on the unions are only a fragment of what the GOP is trying to do right now: Fox “News” easily outdoes Goebbels Propaganda machine – having millions of people listening to him on a daily basis was a wet dream for that guy and it’s a reality for Fox.
            Attacks on unions, public employees, women’s rights, immigrants, the environment, health care, voting rights, food safety, pensions, prenatal care, science, public broadcasting, gays, blacks and jews (just check out Glen Beck on George Soros – reads like the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” right there.)
            Oh, and two wars that are going nowhere.
            Look at the big picture and you will find MANY similarities between the now in America and the 30ies in Germany.

    • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
      February 25, 2011 at 2:59 pm

      If the shoe fits….. Hitler also outlawed any Atheist Organizations and made Abortion a crime carrying the death penalty for German women. Lots of similarities there

      • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Scratch
        February 27, 2011 at 10:28 pm

        Wrong and misleading.
        He banned all faith groups that opposed him, and removed and murdered priests that opposed him and put political stooges in their place.. he also strongly promoted germanic peganism in the SS and SA.
        No he made abortion not legal for a very small portion of the german population which he felt had traits worthy of being passed on. The Nazi’s were very pro abortion and there were over 500k per year in 1935.

        but hey Nazi’s Christians..I am sure idoits will buy your little story..

    • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Old boy
      February 25, 2011 at 3:18 pm

      Just where do you think it is headed?

    • +10 Vote -1 Vote +1s
      February 25, 2011 at 7:49 pm

      You can’t deny the facts. Hitler abolished unions and collective bargaining. Walker is trying to do the same. He may not be a psycho mass-murderer, but he is a psycho destroyer of democracy who is a navel gazer for Koch. His psychosis is dangerous. His plans will destroy the lives of thousands of citizens and their children. He is one sick mo fo.

  10. -1 Vote -1 Vote +1WTF-lol
    February 23, 2011 at 10:59 pm

    The only thing guaranteed by union, you will pay dues!!

    • +10 Vote -1 Vote +1s
      February 25, 2011 at 8:10 pm

      the only thing guaranteed by the govt, you will pay for war with your taxes, whether you want to or not. The military industrial complex is destroying this country – NOT unions.

    • +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dennis
      February 27, 2011 at 9:31 pm

      Your statement exposes your ignorance, its better to be silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and prove it.

  11. +19 Vote -1 Vote +1Real Freedom Rising?
    February 24, 2011 at 1:35 am

    If the Unions lose this one folks, you can kiss all your wages good bye! Then you will be working for corporations that don’t care about you or your right to earn a decent wage! Wages have been going down since the 70′s because nobody wants to see the truth. Corporate greed and multi-nationals that don’t give a damn about you or the country! They don’t even pay their taxes because they have off shore accounts! There was not a problem here until this governor spent all the money! So start marching and protesting or you will be goose stepping to a new drum!

  12. +14 Vote -1 Vote +1Hissop
    February 24, 2011 at 1:53 am

    Yea! On Wisconsin! The fascist republican turds have a history there where the republican party was born and they will bury it there too. They ran the country into dept and now want the people there to pay for it in representation of this bogus act of sedition. Sarah Palin even piped in and sounds like solidarity according to her is, “be happy you have a flipp’n job”. She ought to show up and sit in Abe’s lap there in the mall and tell you all about it.

    All my family are or were union in Wisconsin. I am union. The history of Wisconsin is proud with union men and women that brought the country the weekend as well as the beer to enjoy in it. History repeats itself and this time to the betterment of living standards and quality of life.

    All I can say is lookout if you republicans make outlaws of union people in Wisconsin or in any state. You made the crisis and it will be addressed with the same prejudice that Hitler was pursued with. The spend and tax republican turds will be flushed and if they try to come back up they will be forced back down the line for union turd technicians to process. The only reason the state is broke is because republicans spent like Paris Hilton on a credit card. At least Paris can balance her books and spends within her means. When Christ returns you Pubs can have all the loot you can gather in the only model of government you worship: CHAOS. Live large Azzholes.

    • +8 Vote -1 Vote +1Old boy
      February 25, 2011 at 3:43 pm

      Hissop you got a way with words and you can swing a hammer too. You just hit the nail on the head. Best post I’ve seen online on any site. Thanx for making an old union man feel proud!

      Hey it is Friday evening and you just started my weekend. Think I will go uncap a tall cold bottle of unionized beer made by Great Union people in a GREAT UNIONIZED PLANT. I cannot thank you enough, hoping all my brothers and sisters have a good weekend and a better week next week.

  13. +11 Vote -1 Vote +1Eric
    February 24, 2011 at 6:35 am

    As a former union member in the film industry I have to say when that in my craft i preferred having the organization to mediate fair work practices with my employers. As an individual I had no power alone and in this particular business there are a lot of producers who will rob you blind without them. With a Union they have a structure of accountability.

  14. -21 Vote -1 Vote +1KB
    February 24, 2011 at 6:39 am

    What a ridiculous comparison. Public employees have never been mistreated the way that miners and textile workers were.

    Their right to hold state government hostage for more taxpayer dollars should be limited. Not to mention the fact that the majority of public school teachers graduate in the bottom half to one-third of their college classes.

    • +10 Vote -1 Vote +1Old Guy
      February 24, 2011 at 6:58 am

      KB:
      If you are going to throw out “facts,” support them. Where did you get this ridiculous idea, ” the fact that the majority of public school teachers graduate in the bottom half to one-third of their college classes?”
      You cannot cite the source of this “fact” because it doesn’t exist.

      • -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Non-union public employee
        February 24, 2011 at 7:24 am

        Time Magazine.
        “According to a forthcoming McKinsey & Co. study, just 23% of new teachers in the U.S. come from the top third of their college classes; 47% come from the bottom third.”

        http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2019663_2020590_2020588,00.html

        • +13 Vote -1 Vote +1realistically
          February 24, 2011 at 9:21 am

          That means we should definitely pay them less so more of these higher achievers continue to go into Law or Med. Best way to attract the best candidates is less pay. Your exactly right.

        • +12 Vote -1 Vote +1Lafe
          February 24, 2011 at 9:36 am

          And the last GOP Presidential nominee was dead last in his class…what’s your point?

    • Vote -1 Vote +1Lisa
      February 26, 2011 at 12:33 pm

      Atleast they graduate! YOur govenor didn’t! ANd they have degress beyond their bachelor’s that have not been paid for by taxpayers.

  15. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1detroitjoe
    February 24, 2011 at 6:53 am

    hitler did a lot of things, including seizing personal firearms, but there never seems to be any mention of that from the left… guess cause they agree with that one huh…..

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
      February 25, 2011 at 3:02 pm

      He only did that if you were a member of an opposing political party or Jewish

    • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Old boy
      February 25, 2011 at 3:53 pm

      Wrong……………I did not know we were talking about guns. Sure we have guns. What do guns have to do with this discussion? But they won’t come after them until later!

    • +10 Vote -1 Vote +1s
      February 25, 2011 at 7:55 pm

      I’m liberal and I don’t care if you keep your guns. I really don’t. But I do care if you take away the power of a group of workers to collectively bargain for workplace safety, wages, and health care. When you are a lone worker, stripped of rights, you are powerless to stand up to the corporation you work for. Workers need each other. So do all of us in the middle class.

  16. -7 Vote -1 Vote +1Lame
    February 24, 2011 at 8:11 am

    So… Lets keep these awesome unions so we can eliminate the ambition to do your job the best you can and be better than the guy next to you. Unions breed the mentality that you Joe and Tom start on the same day. Joe busts is a$$ every day trying to do the best job he can. Tom does the bare minimum everyday and spends a lot of his day bashing Joe for working so hard. Well lets fast forward to pay raise time.. Well even though Tom didn’t work as hard, has less work ethic, and has a bad attitude towards those who do work hard.. He gets rewarded the same as Tom thanks to the union.

    So to me this breeds the mentality to do the bare minimum and get something for nothing. What happened to having to work hard and be good at what you do be rewarded. I’m sick of people wanting something for nothing all the time and then being pissed at other people because they don’t want to give them what they’ve worked for. I’ll agree that unions had their place at one time but now that there is a national minimum wage. what’s the point? Other than to compensate everyone equally for doing the same task even though some don’t work as hard as others. Awesome! To me that’s the mentality thats destroying our country. We used to be a nation of people who took responsibility for actions, worked hard, and felt compelled to help the person down the street if times were hard because they were working and giving back to the community equally as much as everyone else in the community. Now as time progresses we make it mandatory that those in the nation that are working hard, providing for their families, and finally start to make a little extra money to put away for the future have to give that money away to people who don’t have any ambition to find a job, want to do the bare minimum in life, take no responsibility for their life choices, work ethic, and actions. That seems completely backwards to me.

    If everyone wants to be treated equal, Then lets set a tax rate that is equal for everyone. Let’s let the person that is making 15,000 a year pay the same tax percentage as the person making 150,000. Lets stop giving people earned income credits that say.. Hey you didn’t make enough money last year so here’s some of everyone elses money. Well hell lets let the people on those programs help each other out. Let’s say if you’re on those assistance programs then a portion of your check is taken away to help the other people on those programs. Why is our nation essentially punishing the educated, hard working, and productive members of society and babying the un-educated, lazy, and economical and societal drains on the community? Why not stop rewarding people for making poor life choices and buying them houses, cutting them every break possible, and breading a nation of people who think that it’s your right to drive a car, own a home, and have a job and get back to the mentality that it’s a privelage to have those things. America is amazing in that everyone, has the opportunity to get an education, has the opportunity to work hard to make a life for themselves, and has the opportunity to be better than the next person. I for one feel very fortunate to live in a country that this is all possible. Unfortunately id saddens me that government leaders want to get us closer and closer to a nation where it doesn’t matter what you do or how hard yuo work you’re going to get exactly the same as the person next to you. Where is this going to lead our nation? The next step is going to be that the govenment is going to start dictating our healthcare, how much food you can buy, what you can view on the internet, what job individuals will do, and who knows what else.

    You can say that unions are the workers making a stand against the government but really all their doing is making the nation fall into the mentality that everyone should get something for nothing and destroying this great nations work ethic. So thanks a lot unions…. keep up the great work!

    • +9 Vote -1 Vote +1SparkyRules
      February 24, 2011 at 4:41 pm

      $18,762,462,000,000.00 is the yearly pay of just 10% of the US population the rest of the 90% split up $8,640,000,000,000.00. In a free market you choose what you buy and you also choose what you work for. Should what you make be chosen for you by the top 10% or should the bottom 90% have a say thru the “freemarket” of striking to make their own choices in what they get paid? Think of it, it the top 10% took a 50% pay cut the bottom 90% would make TWICE as much, now who is being greedy and lazy? Keep in mind the bottom 90% would then make 60ksih per year and the top 10% still make between 90K and12Mill per year. Wealth has already been “re-distributed” why not flow just a little back?

  17. +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Sparrow
    February 24, 2011 at 8:55 am

    The facebook page, if you’re interested, is called “I stand with Walker,” not “We stand with Walker,” as indicated in the article. It just took a little tweaking to find it, but if you click on the link, it won’t work. Just FYI.

    These people on that page, I’d have to say, they seem like pretty radical, ignorant Tea Partiers, talk about cutting off their friends and family from even their personal profile because of differences in opinion. What is that that Jesus said about betraying one’s own family: Matthew 10:21 – “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death.” It’s coming. It’s definitely coming.

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Sparrow
      February 24, 2011 at 9:01 am

      Sorry about the inattention to grammar…. “What did Jesus say…” is better than the wording I used. : (

  18. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1bfpa61
    February 24, 2011 at 9:38 am

    FDR certainly was pro-union but only for the private sector. Roosevelt openly opposed bargaining rights for government unions.

    “The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service,” Roo…sevelt wrote in 1937 to the National Federation of Federal Employees. Yes, public workers may demand fair treatment, wrote Roosevelt. But, he wrote, “I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place” in the public sector. “A strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government.”

    How could it posibly be good when both sides have a vested interest in taking more money from tax payers. Talk about buying votes

    • Ole Ole Olson
      +8 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
      February 24, 2011 at 2:03 pm

      I find myself having to respond to the same comment over and over. If you are going to quote FDR, you need to put it into context: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=15445

      Also a must read: Why FDR would support the Wisconsin protests http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2011/02/18/fdr_and_wisconsin

      • -9 Vote -1 Vote +1Rebel
        February 24, 2011 at 4:42 pm

        So, Olson, if you’re going to compare the GOP to Hitler, are you going to do the same to the left when the next gun control bill comes about?

        • Ole Ole Olson
          +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
          February 25, 2011 at 11:16 am

          rebel, gun control is not a left vs right or democrat vs republican issue, it is an urban vs rural issue. I am a pro-gun progressive from the countryside, and like most left-leaning folks in rural areas, we are mostly for gun rights. Most conservatives in urban cores are likewise for gun restrictions.

      • -11 Vote -1 Vote +1herelast
        February 24, 2011 at 11:47 pm

        Germanys—- unemployment figures : 1933 26.3 %, 1934 14.9 %, 1935 11.6 %, 1936 8.3 %, 1937 4.6 %, 1938 2.1 % ….

      • +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Dennis
        February 27, 2011 at 9:52 pm

        It’s called “The Big Lie” technique and is one of the main tents of propaganda; if you repeat it over and over eventually some people will believe it.

  19. +3 Vote -1 Vote +1skizzle
    February 24, 2011 at 10:05 am

    Obama is a globalist , but union busting and socialism are both tools of the globalist. It’s all part of the false right left paradigm. The tea party is playing into the global power brokers hands. It’s full spectrum dominance. But we need to look at this whole thing from the perspective of a global market and why the economy is bad in the first place. We need to arrest the criminals who orchestrated the derivatives market and set up too big too fail. By getting rid of the Glass Steagall act. But this is all part of a bigger plan by the globalist to cause the markets to fail. So they can basically consolidate power and buy really everything after the crash at a fire sale with the money they created from nothing. But to sum it up it’s a thin line between liberty crusader and union busting pawn of the globalist.

  20. +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Hissop
    February 25, 2011 at 3:56 am

    Keep it up. You want political perfection? It is coming. You want a utopian society? It is on the doorstep, -the worlds way in all its glory, or is it gory? I forget. Everyone is getting like Cain and is not their brother’s keeper. Cold hearted, ruthless and willing to kill to prevail.

    I have seen not once, not twice but many times teachers buying supplies for their students with their own dough. Why? Because the schools cannot afford it. The teachers are taking pay cuts. Ownership of the students is now a teacher’s role. Now take away their incentive to teach all the children that parents cannot or do not raise and what blossoms is a whole generation of morons. You breeders have two jobs to make ends meet and then job-out your children to society. Well take a look around at Dick and Jane. Proud of yourself?

    The republicans are financing the dept on the backs of the people and are bailing out big finance. I agree with some of you. Why should anyone have quality of life and not have to fight over the last pork chop? Do you know your financial accounts can be shut down in a 24 hour period? The Pubs want to allow the states to go bankrupt and when they do they will assimilate everything. The debt is yours and it is mine. We have been sold into slavery and some of you are greeting it like the second coming. The best part for me is the second coming is a double faced coin. Heads I win, tails you lose.

    The malcontents will rule the world before long and any civility will be a long forgotten memory. Who would be upset with a day’s labor for a day’s ration? A slave will not and will lick that bowl clean. Live large potlickers in your perfect Eden.
    Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris

  21. +15 Vote -1 Vote +1Hissop
    February 25, 2011 at 4:38 am

    Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris
    Well now, we won’t need OSHA, workman’s comp, any kind of legal description of a work week or work day. No overtime pay because that’s not fair to the slob who negotiated a salary and will work 80 hours a week.

    No drinking water or a place to eat lunch at. You can use your phone for company business as well as your vehicle and fuel without compensation. Supply your own safety equipment.

    Those are some promising entitlements to look forward to. Might as well have to supply your own toilet paper if there is a toilet to use. Expecting a baby? You are replaceable. Missed a day of work because someone in the family died on the job? You’re fired.

    Here is another bullet: Live in absolute fear of losing your job every day and be subject to nasty things and insults. The women will be expected to put out when demanded and they will like it! If they don’t show some lively enthusiasm then there is another one willing to take their spot.

    We can all be like that happy tribe on the TeeVee in Survivor and manipulate and backstab our way to the next day of the same crap. No more weekends without pay because there will be no more weekends in the big collective. Our motto will be “There can only be one”.

    The best part will be straw bosses who are the most ruthless S.O.B.’s on the face of the earth and people will continually be in a state of fear under their wicked dysfunctional management model. Company snitches will keep you on your toes even if you did not say or do what you are accused of. You will vote the way you are told until voting is abolished too.

    Minimum wage? Are you serious? You really want to work here for free?

  22. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Sarah
    February 25, 2011 at 8:08 am

    You might want to verify, but I’m pretty sure that abolishment of unions was not the most appalling action that Hitler ever took.

    • +9 Vote -1 Vote +1s
      February 25, 2011 at 7:57 pm

      No, but it was just the beginning and it pointed the way to HELL.

  23. -9 Vote -1 Vote +1mike
    February 25, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Too bad Governor Walker isnt abolishing unions, just removing some of the collective bargaining ability. The government unioners will still be able to collectively bargain over wages. They also have to pay 12.5% of their pensions as opposed to 4%. God forbid they have to put more than $1 for every $56.78 the state has to put in. God forbid the governor try to do what he promised in his campaign by balancing the budget. I can think of some other elected officials who promised things during their campaign and hasn’t yet made an effort to work on it. I had a friend call the republicans hypocrites by saying they’re not willing to cutback their 6 figure salaries. But these state representatives are not making 6 figure incomes. The senator’s wage is less than $50K, the governor’s salary is $138K, the national average is $128K, and the medium is $129K. I think that salary is appropriate for running a state. I mean, CEOs walk away with millions for running a company. The average salary is $50K for the unioners who are complaining. That is average, and includes a large number of people on payroll who don’t work and also don’t pull in a salary. The reality is the average unioner makes about the same as the state senator, and many more make significantly more than the senators. Unions destroy companies, and when the company can’t go out of business (like a state) the become parasites on those who have to carry the burden, which is everyone not in the unions. The rest of the state should be outraged that the unions are whining that have to soon be accountable for a slightly larger part of their pensions and healthcare.

    • +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Hissop
      February 28, 2011 at 9:04 am

      Walter you stupid person. Or are you a shill?

      Mien Kamph was back door propaganda. Do you really think Adolph wrote it? You should do a little research and see who Adolph played chess with and who he was aligned with. Once you figure out who the ghost writer was you will understand the brilliant mind that penned those words. Hitler nationalized Germany with lies, including what was known as his struggle. Republicans are doing the same thing in bait and switch while posing that they are preserving honorable and good values in the interests of the common man-but save the banks first. It is an old formula and time tested dating back to the French revolution. It would be too much for you to know the American revolution was a model in part. Look on the back of a dollar bill and when the capstone is seated, the ‘experiment’ is over. Time for a new currency.

      Nationalism comes and goes but the bankers are always the winners: Order out of Chaos is really Order amidst Chaos. Careful what you order, the menu is all the same rat with a different name. If Hitler successfully broke free of his financiers that fled to England, we would all be speaking German.

      These sheep are being driven with a bad shepherd. They will vote for and support the sharpening of the very knife that will slaughter them in the promise of new nationalism and political perfection. New World Order is a design that has the endurance of generations and it is happening right before your eyes. Try not to play the fool.
      Romans 10:9 is a limited time offer.

  24. -4 Vote -1 Vote +1Walter
    February 25, 2011 at 9:56 am

    “In the first volume I have expressed myself with regard to the nature and purpose, and the necessity, of trade unions. There I espoused the viewpoint that, as long as no change in the attitude of employer to worker is brought about, either by state measures (which for the most part, however, are fruitless) or by a universal new education, there remains nothing for the worker to do but stand on his rights as an equal contracting party and defend his own interests in economic life. I further emphasized that safeguarding his interests in this way was entirely compatible with a whole national community if it can prevent social injustices which must subsequently bring about excessive damage to the entire community of a people. I further declared that this necessity must be considered to prevail as long as there exist among employers men who, left to themselves, not only have no feeling for social duties, but not even for the most primitive human rights; and from this I drew the inference that, once such a self-defense is regarded as necessary, its form can reasonably exist only in a grouping of workers on a trade-union basis”. –Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

  25. -5 Vote -1 Vote +1Walter
    February 25, 2011 at 10:01 am

    “As things stand today, the trade unions in my opinion cannot be dispensed with. On the contrary, they are among the most important institutions of the nation’s economic life. Their significance lies not only in the social and political field, but even more in the general field of national politics. A people whose broad masses, through a sound trade-union movement, obtain the satisfaction of their living requirements and at the same time an education, will be tremendously strengthened in its power of resistance in the struggle for existence”. –Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    • Ole Ole Olson
      +6 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
      February 25, 2011 at 11:13 am

      Granted, that was written in Mein Kampf, but Hitler’s actions speak much louder. Union leaders were some of the first people sent to concentration camps. He saw them as a direct threat, and used the secret state police to persecute them accordingly.

    • +9 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
      February 25, 2011 at 3:19 pm

      Wow that sounds just like Governor Walker. LIE through your teeth until you get elected and once in Office lower the boom. Do not you know that hitler JUST like many of the GOP pols will lie and decieve the people who vote for them to get elected or win support. The Chickens are voting for Colonel Sanders

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1s
      February 25, 2011 at 7:59 pm

      You know, Hitler was a liar.

  26. -6 Vote -1 Vote +1Walter
    February 25, 2011 at 11:05 am

    I find it odd that Nazis are often referred to as “Fascists” (even by many historians), regardless of the fact that they physically fought the Fascists, just as they fought the Communists, for years before they allied with Italy (they also allied with Stalin too, for a time). In fact, Nazi operatives even went so far as to assassinate the Fascist chancellor of Austria, Engelbert Dolfuss, after he banned the Nazi party in that country. After Anschluss, most all the Austro-Fascists were sent to concentration camps in occupied Austria and other countries of the Reich. Plus, there are many stories of Mussolini’s disdain for Hitler, especially for the treatment of his friends in Austria, and actual quotes Mussolini made in which he openly rejected many of Hitler’s policies, such as those concerning race (yes, he did enact the ‘Manifesto of Race’, which some say was due to the enormous influence Hitler wielded over him after their alliance, but the following quote isn’t something you’d ever hear Hitler say).

    “Race? It is a feeling, not a reality. Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today”. –Benito Mussolini

    In addition, regardless of what is often said, Hitler was not a true corporatist by any means. He was born a proletariat into a lower-middle class family and always distrusted the aristocracy and big business (most notable in his anti-Semitic laws targeting banking and finance). In ‘Mein Kampf’ he rails against capitalism, and calls global-industrialists traitors to the nation, just as likely to arm their enemies as their own people, anything for the almighty dollar (or mark, as it were). Likewise, Hitler had no love for Christianity, and called it a Jewish religion for the weak. He did in fact manipulate churches for his own ends, but did not believe Christianity fitted the “national character of Germany” (i.e. warlike, aggressive, power-hungry, etc..). Fascists, on the other hand, were very closely tied to the Catholic Church and accepting of Christianity. The reason I believe the two parties, Nazis and Fascists, were lumped together as one is because they were allies, firstly, and authoritarian dictatorships, secondly. Other than that, the similarities between the two weren’t as striking as you might think.

    I know ‘Mein Kampf’ isn’t normal, or pleasant, reading material, but if you really want to try to understand what the Nazis were all about, read it sometime and you’ll find that the wartime propaganda picture that’s been painted of Hitler was very different from what he really believed in. This is not to say that what he believed in wasn’t batsh#t crazy, it just wasn’t as simplistic as we’re often taught. The Nazis practiced what is called “syncretic politics”, which is the reconciling of opposite sides of the political spectrum; meaning, some of their policies were extreme-right (racism), some were right (militarism), some were left (social welfare, public works), and some were extreme-left (strength through joy, ‘People’s Community’, etc..). This is generally a characteristic of most populist movements.

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Heidi
      February 25, 2011 at 3:12 pm

      Hitler was Catholic and put himelf forward as a Catholic, in fact had a Concordat with the Pope and the Catholic church

    • +7 Vote -1 Vote +1s
      February 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm

      semantics. Today, colloquially, we understand “fascism” to mean: dictatorial, totalitarian, evil. Hitler was all those things. Your “academic” flair is icy.
      Walker is a fascist, too, by at least some defining characteristics:
      “Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.Fascist governments forbid and suppress opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement.” Sounds like the GOP: their way or the highway…send in the state troopers!

  27. +7 Vote -1 Vote +1Sue
    February 25, 2011 at 7:42 pm

    As Winston Churchill said, “Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.”

    Would-be dictators must, without hesitation, be stopped in their tracks. We cannot and will not allow then to reign.

  28. +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Fred
    February 26, 2011 at 1:51 am

    The Secret Bankers Rolls The World

    YouTube: ” Rothschild Bloody Family “

  29. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Doug
    February 26, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Well I never thought I’d say it. I guess Hitler got ONE thing right. Unions have NO place in the Public work farce.

  30. -3 Vote -1 Vote +1Kevin
    February 27, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    I say let the free market work. We shouldn’t need unions with a free market. Your not happy with the conditions/wages at your current job, you find another with better conditions/wages. You talk to your friends and family, word gets out that the job isn’t worth it. Eventually the company either has to change it’s ways or go out of business as it’s competition will steal away all of it’s employees. The only way around that is if companies work together and set conditions, but that’s illegal, if they get caught all of the higher ups go to jail.

    It’s also possible fir unions to hurt non-union workers. A non-union worker can’t try to compete with a union worker by working for a a lower wage. So the company has to pass on the higher wages it pays it’s workers in higher costs to consumers.

    Some unions we need more than others. Teachers Unions aren’t always good. In New York, it’s like a 16 step process to get rid of an under performing, or abusive teacher.

    Also people keep attacking Pharmaceutical companies. They don’t really deserve it. Yes prescriptions can be extremely expensive, but it takes about $900 million of investment to create one new drug. Other countries have instituted price controls on prescription drugs, they don’t make any real medical breakthroughs. So ease off of the Pharmaceuticals okay?

    • Ole Ole Olson
      +5 Vote -1 Vote +1Ole Ole Olson
      February 27, 2011 at 8:58 pm

      In an unregulated market with no safeguards (by the government), the only thing moving from one employer to another would guarantee is that you will get screwed in a new way. Unions and regulation are the ONLY thing standing between you and you working with your 8 year old son for 16 hour shifts 6-7 days a week for a pittance. That is the reality of caveat emptor.

    • +4 Vote -1 Vote +1BB
      February 28, 2011 at 10:05 pm

      Unions didn’t cause the economy to spiral into crisis. The “free market” did. Perpetual war while cutting taxes did.

      Bill Grates and other billionaire types may speak English and share a common culture with us, but would screw us like a pornstar, pull up stakes and move elsewhere the moment they can no longer extract wealth from the working class. I have more in common with fellow workers in Egypt, China and Mexico; than I do with fellow American Bill Gates. Better to betray your country, than your class.

  31. +2 Vote -1 Vote +1MikeT
    March 1, 2011 at 11:19 am

    The big lies and scare tactics of the pro union are not working anymore. The Nazi and fascist analogies are a way to avoid the real issues because if they debate the argument on it’s own merits, they will lose.

    93% of American workers in the private sector are NON union, are they working 16 hour shifts 6-7 days a week for pittance, what a bunch of bs, please!

    Private sector unions bargain with business owners to redistribute the profits created by the company, fine.

    When public service unions collectively bargain, they bargain for our tax dollars because governments do not make profits. So the public unions and the democrat party think they have the right to bargain with my tax dollars without my say!

    You have to be out of your fricking minds.